lustyd
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Oh sorry I didn't realise you were just trolling. Have fun on the trip 
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matt1
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At work, in a very socially distanced office, we have made anyone who has contact with a known Covid positive person, or otherwise been contacted by test and trace not to come into the office for 14 days from contact. We have also had several Covid positive, symptom free employees, employees who were tested at random eg the imperial or ONS study and turned out to be positive. They were completely symptom free. We then had to isolate anyone who had been in contact with those individuals for the required period.
RJJ
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Yes they are.
I'm one of the biggest sceptics on this forum but I don't agree with you. Before you knew you'd been at close quarters with a positively-identified case, the risk was miniscule. Given what you describe you are at significantly heightened risk of being infected and infectious.
It's everything to do with your personal circumstances.
I don't speed on the motorway.
shaunksb
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Sunday will be ten days after last Thursday anyway so I suppose it’s academic.
I won’t be contacting anyone so it doesn’t matter if I were infectious.
Are you saying you are a better judge of my personal circumstances?
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pessimist
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The claim (unverified) is from Kingswear about Dartside.
RJJ
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In general I have insisted throughout Covid that we tend to judge our own circumstances better than the Government does. Part of that is doing what we have always done with e.g. mild flu - stayed home to stop other people getting it. Not because anyone made us, but because it's sensible.
I started off unreservedly supporting your first trip because you had no reason to think you were above-average risk.
As regards your subsequent intentions - i would say your evaluation of them is pretty poor, yes. You've gone from being a low-risk person to a rather high-risk person and it makes a difference. Like I said, I defend freedom and I wouldn't do it.
shaunksb
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And there lies the problem.
You have your opinion of what’s reasonably safe to do.
I have my opinion of what’s reasonably safe to do.
Probably everyone on here has a different opinion on what they consider is safe to do.
Just as we all have an opinion on what the speed limit should be on any given road.
But society doesn’t work if we all do just what we want does it?
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grumpy_o_g
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Nope, exactly right. That's why we have to have laws and police and courts and fines and prisons (because people think they know best themselves that is)...
Daydream believer
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Perhaps that is why you should stop at home when told to.
RJJ
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I think you're in a muddle. You started off trying to justify your actions as a high-risk person which were outside the law, outside the guidance and (for what it's worth) outside my personal tolerance for what's OK in a pandemic.
Now you're back to "society doesn't work if we do what we want".
Are you actually arguing in a roundabout way for more restrictions, more tightly-enforced, because otherwise people like you will break the law? It's a bit unusual, mostly people either want more law enforcement against others, or less law enforcement against themselves. "Please officer, make me behave because I can't help it".
lustyd
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shaunksb
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No I'm not trolling. I'm trying to find out why RJJ's standpoint or anybody else's for that matter should take precedent over what I consider an acceptable risk.
Because if there is no answer then yes, I suppose we should all follow the same pattern of behavior.
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Because if there is no answer then yes, I suppose we should all follow the same pattern of behavior.
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dom
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Test and Trace tell me I'm a carrier of the Bubonic Plague.
I live 250 miles from my boat and want a photo for a WhatsApp group.
What should I do?
lustyd
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Ooh I know this one! You should post about it on the Internet while also posting about how bad it is to ignore rules.Test and Trace tell me I'm a carrier of the Bubonic Plague.
I live 250 miles from my boat and want a photo for a WhatsApp group.
What should I do?
I feel like if I were to intentionally break rules though, I'd avoid putting evidence on the Internet along with some obvious premeditation. The fine may be small, but the criminal record will last a long time!
TheMerryFisher
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You are permitted to visit your boat as of the 8th March (today).
Coronavirus - advice and information for recreational boaters | News | News & Events | RYA - Royal Yachting Association
"When using a boat for outdoor recreation alone or with your household or support bubble from 8th March, you must not go inside except to access a toilet or for safety reasons or navigation. "
Coronavirus
Also, the term "recreation" has been added as of the 8th March and boating is outdoor recreation.
Coronavirus - advice and information for recreational boaters | News | News & Events | RYA - Royal Yachting Association
"When using a boat for outdoor recreation alone or with your household or support bubble from 8th March, you must not go inside except to access a toilet or for safety reasons or navigation. "
Coronavirus
Also, the term "recreation" has been added as of the 8th March and boating is outdoor recreation.
- you can spend time in outdoor public spaces for recreation on your own, with your household or support bubble, or with one other person. This means you can sit down for a drink or picnic. You must continue to maintain social distance from those outside your household. This is in addition to outdoor exercise, which is already permitted
Blue Sunray
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However, importantly for this thread, not if you've been told to Isolate by T&T.
If you're told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace
TheMerryFisher
Member
I presumed that would have been obvious but quite right!! Lesson learn't..don't presume
matt1
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Seriously? Somebody has actually sat down, thought about it, talked to Defra (and presumably been paid) to come up with the above as guidance??
So I can go down to the boat, with my household, and go sailing but I can only go down below to use the loo or look at the chart plotter??? of have I misread this? Or does "inside" mean shoreside facilites, because this makes no sense. "Hey family, wanna come sailing? You'll probably freeze because you aren't allowed down below"
According to the above, even if I was on my own I couldn't go down below!!
The trouble when people come up with such illogical and flawed guidance is that it undermines the guidance
dankilb
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What I find strangest about this - as I've been banging on about in other threads - is that clubs (specifically) presumably still cannot open for members to access boats until 29 March.
I've heard the usual response, i.e. 'things shouldn't be open, don't you know there's a pandemic on?' etc. But the seemingly very contradictory advice remains, for this period until 29 March, that if you happen to be boating via a club you cannot do anything before then because it is counted as organised outdoor sport/recreation.
Our club is in Wales so under different regulations, therefore I don't have that sense 'on the ground' of what's happening, so I might be wrong. But it does seem ill thought-through. One example/argument I gave on the other thread was about the need to safely prepare equipment for 29 March (and that not being permitted).
In other news, for those arguing "you can wait a couple of weeks...", we're also looking at a double-delayed start for the watersports business I co-own because most organisations we work with aren't returning staff from furlough until 29 March. We therefore cannot even get email responses for them on their operating plans. Informally, it sounds like they're hoping to open for a few days under a skeleton staff and basically close again for the Easter holiday.
Again - why does this matter? ("we're in the middle of a pandemic!") - well, in the days when sport/fitness/health were still considered important, missing out on opportunities for exercise over a public holiday would have been considered a bad outcome. Now, it seems, you're supposed to feel lucky you'll be allowed to open/operate at all. Meanwhile I'm sure the Easter weekend will be party central for street drinking, park socialising, etc.
TheMerryFisher
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If it is too cold then surely it is not safe for your crew to be outside..?
It's all very messy...as long as people are keeping safe and law abiding.
It's all very messy...as long as people are keeping safe and law abiding.