marinias reopening

[shaunksb]

I don't think that's the case and I'm pretty sure you'd be breaking the law by doing that, at the very least it's incredibly selfish in this scenario. There is a world of difference between sensibly keeping to yourself when you're pretty sure you're healthy and won't infect others compared to being explicitly told you have to self isolate at home because you've definitely been in contact with someone who tested positive. Just suck it up and complete the self isolation as required.

I think you'll find it is.

Even this government won't allow you to die if you can't get food/medication.

We are living in temporary accommodation while we are having a house built so we haven't got anybody "at hand" & my Daughter lives in London.

And without any symptoms I'm no more of a risk than anyone else.

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[lustyd]

I feel like you really don't understand Covid. You don't need to show symptoms to be infectious, and yet you did say you're under the weather - the very definition of symptoms! You must be really, really far out in the sticks to not be able to get food delivered to sustain you for 10 days, have you tried phoning your local shop and asking if they'd mind bringing some things given the situation? Or call the covid helpline and explain that you find yourself close enough to a marina to go to your boat yet so far in the wilderness that nobody is able to get food to you. I'm sure they'll have some way to keep you safe and alive for the next few days.

 

[shaunksb]

I feel like you really don't understand Covid. You don't need to show symptoms to be infectious, and yet you did say you're under the weather - the very definition of symptoms! You must be really, really far out in the sticks to not be able to get food delivered to sustain you for 10 days, have you tried phoning your local shop and asking if they'd mind bringing some things given the situation? Or call the covid helpline and explain that you find yourself close enough to a marina to go to your boat yet so far in the wilderness that nobody is able to get food to you. I'm sure they'll have some way to keep you safe and alive for the next few days.

That's a bit rich...

Sums it up nicely. If you have a reason then do what you need, no need to explain to nosy people on the Internet.

 

[RJJ]

That's a bit rich...

As lustyd has maintained and I agree, it's all about risk.

Absent other factors, your starting point was a much-less-than 0.04% chance you were unknowingly infectious (0.1% of people are infected; and of that 0.1% some are positively tested and/or strongly symptomatic and wouldn't be heading to the boat). That was where you were when you went down the first time. Personally, I would have done the same if there was some significant time or financial implication; I wouldn't have just done it for convenience or to be ready for sailing in April rather than May.

When you've been in close contact with known (or highly probable) positive case, and you've been told to isolate and you're "under-the-weather", it's a different situation. I'd be staying home, rules or no rules.

 

[matt1]

Received the following from the Marina today -

"If all goes well, Monday April 12th will be the date that some travel restrictions will be lifted and allows the use of boats with overnight stays. Up until then only commercial tradesmen will be allowed to work on boats on the site. The police recently visited Dartside Quay and fined people who were there for no legitimate reason working on their privately owned boats. If these timings change then I will send an update."

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I know there are polarised views on this thread about working on boats or not, but this does seem a bit OTT if someone is on their own. I thought we were supposed to be reminded of the regs and politely asked to go home? Of course, we don't know A) if the above statement is true or an exaggeration and B) the circumstances, but I thought the Police had themselves said they would be using an "inform and educate" approach in the first instance?

 

[lustyd]

There is a world of difference between sensibly keeping to yourself when you're pretty sure you're healthy and won't infect others compared to being explicitly told you have to self isolate at home because you've definitely been in contact with someone who tested positive. Just suck it up and complete the self isolation as required.

That's a bit rich...

Nope, that's a completely different scenario. You've been specifically told to isolate because you are a high risk of infecting other people, that means explicitely that you're not free to decide. People who are not in isolation do have some freedom to make choices within the law. I didn't even question you going to the marina LAST weekend when you were unaware, live and let live. I absolutely am appalled that you intend to ignore your legal obligation as a high risk individual to self isolate at home for 10 days. These are not the same thing in any way. I'd have even defended your freedom to have not installed the government spy app on your phone, that is absolutely your choice. However, you decided to accept the app tracing you, and the app has told you that you could be infectious, so now you're legally and morally obliged to stay at home and self isolate as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Giblets]

Other than stopping for fuel I won't come near another human being.

Unless one of the other human beings just happens to run into you on the drive down to the boat in which case you could find yourself very close to quite a few humans.

 

[Blue Sunray]

I know there are polarised views on this thread about working on boats or not, but this does seem a bit OTT if someone is on their own. I thought we were supposed to be reminded of the regs and politely asked to go home? Of course, we don't know A) if the above statement is true or an exaggeration and B) the circumstances, but I thought the Police had themselves said they would be using an "inform and educate" approach in the first instance?

In London at least that policy changed some time ago, (it will vary by force in any case) not least as so many were taking the proverbial.

London police to question people why they’ve left home and will issue fines for mask breaches

 

[SimonFa]

Back on topic:

RYA Roadmap for the return of recreational boating | Inbrief | e-newsletters | News & Events | RYA - Royal Yachting Association

 

[RichardTaylor]

British Marine - https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/british-marine-creates-industry-reopening-matrix/

Which states: The organisation says it has clarified that, from 8 March, all forms of watersports, including the use of privately-owned craft and self-drive day hire boats for single households, can go ahead in England

 

[bdh198]

British Marine - https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/british-marine-creates-industry-reopening-matrix/

Which states: The organisation says it has clarified that, from 8 March, all forms of watersports, including the use of privately-owned craft and self-drive day hire boats for single households, can go ahead in England

That’s because “recreation” is being added to the list of exceptions to the restriction on leaving or being outside the place you are living under the regulations. Surely, any reasonable definition of ‘recreation‘ would include enjoyment from DIY. Consequently, a recreation exception would allow visiting your boat for general DIY and maintenance purposes if it is reasonable to expect you to derive enjoyment from it .

 

[psammead]

Received the following from the Marina today -

"If all goes well, Monday April 12th will be the date that some travel restrictions will be lifted and allows the use of boats with overnight stays. Up until then only commercial tradesmen will be allowed to work on boats on the site. The police recently visited Dartside Quay and fined people who were there for no legitimate reason working on their privately owned boats. If these timings change then I will send an update."

Seems that they are not prepared to let us visit our boats until we can stay overnight. Makes a bit of a mockery of the ending of the "stay at home" advice at the end of March.

Did this come from MDL at Dartside Quay? My boat is on it's berth at Brixham Marina but I've had no updates from the marina about the latest changes in guidance. Haven't been down since mid December, I don't consider Exeter to Brixham a local journey and the marina staff do a good job keeping an eye on things. Plus, the Sea Tang B&B webcam is very helpful!! ?

 

[shaunksb]

As lustyd has maintained and I agree, it's all about risk.

Absent other factors, your starting point was a much-less-than 0.04% chance you were unknowingly infectious (0.1% of people are infected; and of that 0.1% some are positively tested and/or strongly symptomatic and wouldn't be heading to the boat). That was where you were when you went down the first time. Personally, I would have done the same if there was some significant time or financial implication; I wouldn't have just done it for convenience or to be ready for sailing in April rather than May.

When you've been in close contact with known (or highly probable) positive case, and you've been told to isolate and you're "under-the-weather", it's a different situation. I'd be staying home, rules or no rules.

But I don't have any symptoms.

I'm not going to come into contact with anyone so I don't see what your problem is?

It wouldn't matter if I was home or on the boat.

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[pessimist]

Did this come from MDL at Dartside Quay? My boat is on it's berth at Brixham Marina but I've had no updates from the marina about the latest changes in guidance. Haven't been down since mid December, I don't consider Exeter to Brixham a local journey and the marina staff do a good job keeping an eye on things. Plus, the Sea Tang B&B webcam is very helpful!! ?

No t didn't. It came from the marina where we keep our tender. As it happens the main boat is ashore at Dartside and I haven't heard a dicky bird from them. Last time I spoke to them it was very much a matter of "It's a matter of conscience. Up to you". This may have changed.

 

[psammead]

No t didn't. It came from the marina where we keep our tender. As it happens the main boat is ashore at Dartside and I haven't heard a dicky bird from them. Last time I spoke to them it was very much a matter of "It's a matter of conscience. Up to you". This may have changed.

Aaah right. That's been MDLs approach in the last two lockdowns, basically up to you what you decide to do...

 

[lustyd]

But I don't have any symptoms.

I'm not going to come into contact with anyone so I don't see what your problem is?

It wouldn't matter if I was home or on the boat.

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But it does matter. You’re required by law not to leave your primary residence for 10 days while isolating. You’ve said you’re not feeling 100% so while that might not be primary symptoms it is symptoms. Whether you do or not isn’t relevant though, leaving home for any reason invites a £1000 fine, and there are no excuses available on this one.

 

[longjohnsilver]

No t didn't. It came from the marina where we keep our tender. As it happens the main boat is ashore at Dartside and I haven't heard a dicky bird from them. Last time I spoke to them it was very much a matter of "It's a matter of conscience. Up to you". This may have changed.

Were the folks fined for working on their boats ashore at Kingswear or Dartside?

 

[coveman]

British Marine - https://marineindustrynews.co.uk/british-marine-creates-industry-reopening-matrix/

Which states: The organisation says it has clarified that, from 8 March, all forms of watersports, including the use of privately-owned craft and self-drive day hire boats for single households, can go ahead in England

Yes, BUT the Stay at Home rules still apply and it is up to an individual police officer as to whether the fact that you are away from home is a "reasonable excuse" if you are stopped. There must be very limited justified reasons why anyone would need to visit their boat. It is doubtful that if you take your "recreation" miles from home that it would be considered reasonable. but if you lived very close it may be reasonable.
This is the view of the Police https://paas-s3-broker-prod-lon-645...fing-Tier-4-Health-Protection-Regs-060120.pdf

 

[SimonFa]

The whole thing is going to break down, people are looking at the data and making their own decisions and that's increasing as time goes by. From next week as schools open its likely there'll be even more people ignoring the guidance and probably law. I reckon police forces will follow this example:

Yorkshire police boss says 'travel where you want for exercise':

A Yorkshire police chief has said "you can travel for exercise" despite government guidance urging people to stay local.

Since the first lockdown in March last year, people have been continuously fined for breaking the rules but Humberside Police's assistant chief constable has now said "not being local is not a reason we can give a fixed penalty notice for".

It comes after scores of people were seen enjoying a day out on the Yorkshire coast at the weekend and other police forces consistently warned people to stay away from beauty spots and to stay local.

Current government guidance - not law - states: “You should minimise time spent outside your home, but you can leave your home to exercise.

"This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area."

My emphasis.

 

[shaunksb]

But it does matter. You’re required by law not to leave your primary residence for 10 days while isolating. You’ve said you’re not feeling 100% so while that might not be primary symptoms it is symptoms. Whether you do or not isn’t relevant though, leaving home for any reason invites a £1000 fine, and there are no excuses available on this one.

It’s just a blanket law though, my personal circumstances aren’t adding to the risk.

I shouldn’t speed either but it’s a 200 mile trip for me and I defy anyone to stand up and say they don’t wander over the speed limit on the motorway.

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