blueglass
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I don't think there's any foundation for that. Certainly not in my experience. I've had my present boat for 9 years and love her to bits.
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I don't think there's any foundation for that. Certainly not in my experience. I've had my present boat for 9 years and love her to bits.
Quandary
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OK, I am selling my boat, I have had it for ten years and lavished all the time and money on her upkeep that I can afford. A guy turns up and lets me know that he is here to screw me, he does not have to tell me, I have done enough negotiating to know, for a start he will be rubbishing everything about her.
Uber come round and instead of saying she is rubbish with everthing wrong with her, that he likes her and is impressed with how I have looked after her and can we negotiate a satisfactory deal. So who do I spend time dealing with? who do I want to take over care of my pride and joy?
As a buyer I am influenced by the attitude of the owner as much as anything else when narrowing my short list, it is also useful to be able to go back later and get advice or information, when selling I want to offer the buyer the same comfort, yachting up here is a smaller world of course.
Uber come round and instead of saying she is rubbish with everthing wrong with her, that he likes her and is impressed with how I have looked after her and can we negotiate a satisfactory deal. So who do I spend time dealing with? who do I want to take over care of my pride and joy?
As a buyer I am influenced by the attitude of the owner as much as anything else when narrowing my short list, it is also useful to be able to go back later and get advice or information, when selling I want to offer the buyer the same comfort, yachting up here is a smaller world of course.
capsco
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Ubergeekian
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In that case the sale was not at the seller's lowest price, was it?
Ubergeekian
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Why not? Are taxi drivers deserving of charity, driving around in £35k cabs?
Would that influence who you would sell her to, and at what price? Serious question - I know that after owning her for 25 years I am a lot pickier about who the Jouster goes to than I would be, after one year, about Jumblie
capsco
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Ubergeekian
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I dunno, which is why these people who say it's what they aim for baffle me. Particularly those who think they can establish it by asking the seller's broker. What broker would ever give that away?
Ubergeekian
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At this point my starting point for negotiations goes up significantly.
I had the Hunter 490 on the market - Apolloduck - for a while before I decided to keep her. She was advertised at what I thought was a fairly reasonable price - she's had a complete hull refit and repaint, but has basic interior and no outboard so I priced her at about half the going rate for a fully fitted-out one. I had an amazing number (dozens) of responses, most from Ireland, which said little more than "What's your lowest price?" Nothing about condition, equipment, history, just money.
I ignored the lot of them. Sod 'em - if they treat me that rudely I have no interest in doing business with them. I'd rather give the boat to someone nice than reward their attitude.
Mind you, there was a very nice and fully kitted 490 on sale in Ireland at the same time for a lot more, so I suspect what I was seeing was wide boys hoping to rip me off and make a killing by taking the boat across on the ferry. Screw 'em.
westernman
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Its the ones from Nigeria who offer the full asking price sight unseen you need to be wary of
maxi77
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Exactly, but the buyer thought it was. that is the point sellers rarely let any one know their real drop dead price, just if the offer is acceptable.
Ubergeekian
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Its the ones from Nigeria who offer the full asking price sight unseen you need to be wary of
I'm selling a load of stuff through eBay at the moment, and I always list overseas postage as cost plus £5 for everywhere but Nigeria, cost plus £1000 in cleared funds to Nigeria. That seems to help.
Though you've reminded me - yes, I did get one of these "I would like to buy your product please tell me what is cost of product" scam emails for the Hunter. Apolloduck spotted and removed it before I could bait the hook, dammit.
blueglass
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Q1 Because I really don't understand the relevance of taxi drivers in this context.
Q2 Yes I would prefer her to to someone who cared about boats, but I would still want the highest price I could negotiate.
Spyro
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Maybe that's why you had her for sale for a while. Some people are just straightforward with no rudeness intended. You're not trying to make new friends, just sell a boat. They might also be thinking how rude of you not even replying. You could just have told them your lowest price and left it at that.
You've also had your Jouster for sale for a good while too
Ubergeekian
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It's another example of a place where a bit of haggling could bring the price down, and I am interested to know how far the "I only ever pay the absolute minimum I can for anything" boys carry their principles.
Supposing you met one of the buyers here who only ever pay (they think) the sellers absolute lowest price, though?
Ubergeekian
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My lowest price would have been context dependent. Negotiations were quite advanced with one chap from NI, but after we had provisionally arranged a price (subject to him visiting and seeing boat, of course) he kept trying to claim that he'd actually arranged lower. He didn't have the nerve actually to ask for a renegotiation, but just stated it as fact. I do not care to reward that attitude.
You bloody try selling a bloody fin bloody keeler on the bloody Solway, then.
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blueglass
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No problem -I would sell them the boat for what they think is my lowest price. It would be a satisfactory and completely fair deal because it would be the price I wanted.
You make it sound as if when selling a boat, you have a wide choice of different buyers and you choose which one you prefer to deal with. Your current experience selling your own boat should inform your thinking. Its time to wake up and smell the coffee.
Ubergeekian
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Is the "price you wanted" also the lowest one you would accept? If so, why not just ask for that straight off and save the hassle?
As for my own boat - finding her a good home is a lot more important to me than the price I achieve. In the right circumstances I'd give her away.
capsco
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Would you please give me those prescise circumstances, to save a stampede by PM might be best.
Ubergeekian
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Would you please give me those prescise circumstances, to save a stampede by PM might be best.
Young, skint, keen, nice and proposing a voyage of some adventure.
blueglass
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you really don't have much of a clue about sales negotiations do you. A boat's asking price is merely a starting point to be negotiated downwards. This is accepted by sellers and buyers alike (excluding present company it seems)To start off with your lowest acceptable price is really not too clever.
