Lithium battery fire

[geem]

I know we have been told not to use AI, nor copy same.

But - I recall reading about an issue with Battle Born batteries and I could summarise the AI script - but it seems much more useful to admit using the AI offering and let readers decide if its relevant.


AI Overview


There isn't a formal, company-issued
Battle Born batteries recall, but serious safety concerns have emerged recently (late 2025) due to a potential design flaw causing positive terminals to overheat, melt plastic spacers, and loosen connections, creating fire risks. YouTuber Will Prowse highlighted this in a video, showing excessive heat and arcing, with Battle Born responding that the melting is a "thermal failsafe". Many users and experts disagree, suggesting it's a dangerous flaw, leading to calls for a real recall, though Battle Born has denied warranty claims, citing their existing warranty policies.


I am quite happy to have my posts questioned as being ignorant - it would be more useful if people who want to criticises posts, any, actually correct the mistakes and lead to a better understanding.

Jonathan

Yet there is nothing in the media about them causing a fire. The cells aren't the problem. The bms isn't the problem. It's a bad connection on the battery +ve terminal. A similar problem could occur external to the battery that could cause the same heat and potentially a fire if the hot connection is next to something combustible. Is this a lithium battery fire or bad wiring?
The Battleborn battery problem is appalling. A very expensive, in my mind, over priced battery from a reputable manufacturer and it's got a fundamental design flaw.
The bms should have over temperature protection, so I expect if that heat generated impacts on battery temperature, the bms will shut the battery down. The result is no fire but a dead battery until the bms resets.

 

[PaulRainbow]

I know we have been told not to use AI, nor copy same.

So why ignore the rule and post AI ?

But - I recall reading about an issue with Battle Born batteries and I could summarise the AI script - but it seems much more useful to admit using the AI offering and let readers decide if its relevant.


AI Overview
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I am quite happy to have my posts questioned as being ignorant - it would be more useful if people who want to criticises posts, any, actually correct the mistakes and lead to a better understanding.

Jonathan

Would take more time than i have to spare.

 

[Neeves]

Thats great because this one trumps the last. Excessive heat in wiring is nothing to do with thermal runaway. I could burn your yacht down with a spanner and a lead acid battery, do you consider that a failing of battery chemistry?

I don't know whose posts you are reading - but maybe you have simply taken a dislike to me and are letting your imagination take hold

I have never mentioned thermal runaway nor heat in wiring or battery chemistry - in fact I have not speculated on why the batteries might have caught fire. My technical input has been ---- zero - which seems to diminish the credibility of your criticisms. At least AI bases their results on published information - you seem to be polishing the art of fabricate


I did speculate on why a truck full of batteries was travelling, toward Melbourne, from Sydney when it would more sensible to ship direct to Melbourne (by sea)

The batteries on the truck are I am willing to bet designed for house hold storage battery use. With huge amounts of solar roof top PV systems in use the government are encouraging us to go for battery storage with large 30% type subsidies. The battery installation industry has gone mad. ol'will

I might agree with William - there are new grants for battery installations.

Jonathan

 

[Buck Turgidson]

I don't know whose posts you are reading - but maybe you have simply taken a dislike to me and are letting your imagination take hold

I have never mentioned thermal runaway nor heat in wiring or battery chemistry - in fact I have not speculated on why the batteries might have caught fire. My technical input has been ---- zero - which seems to diminish the credibility of your criticisms. At least AI bases their results on published information - you seem to be polishing the art of fabricate


I did speculate on why a truck full of batteries was travelling, toward Melbourne, from Sydney when it would more sensible to ship direct to Melbourne (by sea)


I might agree with William - there are new grants for battery installations.

Jonathan

"At least AI bases their results on published information"
Sorry to have to inform you that this is not correct.
The LLM of your chosen "AI" has simply used whatever it can scrape to lean how to construct sentences. It used published information to lean word patterns and nothing else.
AI is completely unreliable as a source of information. It even suffers from what is described as hallucination. and this is how ChatGPT describe it:
"
LLM hallucination is when a large language model generates confident, fluent information that is incorrect, fabricated, or not supported by evidence—often because it is predicting plausible text rather than recalling verified facts.



In short: it sounds right, but it isn’t true."

 

[zoidberg]

(Misinformation is when a poster ) generates confident, fluent information that is incorrect, fabricated, or not supported by evidence—often because it is predicting plausible text rather than recalling verified facts.
In short: it sounds right, but it isn’t true."

There's a whole lot of that, in here, at times.....

We sorely need an AI+ prompt which will 'separate the wheat from the chaff' in so-called meedja like this.

 

[Ceirwan]

At least AI bases their results on published information - you seem to be polishing the art of fabricate

This is unfortunately, not correct, there are many articles out there that you can read that sum this issue up far better than I could, and with a greater understanding.
But while AI is useful tool, it cannot be relied on as a source of information.

Here is one notable example:
High court tells UK lawyers to stop misuse of AI after fake case-law citations

The AI tool essentially made up legal precedents and quotes, they all sounded very plausible, because that's what it excels as.
As a personal example, when I asked it to summarise a sports season last year, the top persons it listed included people long retired, and some who were actually no longer alive!

So yes, very useful in some situations, but not to be relied on.
And remember its trained on data from all over, some is given higher importance, but its entirely possible previous topics on here and other forums have been scraped and used to train it.

 

[Refueler]

The batteries on the truck are I am willing to bet designed for house hold storage battery use. With huge amounts of solar roof top PV systems in use the government are encouraging us to go for battery storage with large 30% type subsidies. The battery installation industry has gone mad. ol'will

Wish they did that here .... Govt here capped our use of storage batterys and size of the arrays installed - as the Electricity Supply Co's were losing revenue.