Cornishman
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Re: Clockwise ??? nm
When turning LEFT?
When turning LEFT?
Lights?
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pugwash
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Depends if tacking or gybing NM
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Chris_Stannard
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There is an overriding rule that large vessels unable to manouvre easily in restricted waters have right of way over small easily manouvred craft. You may also find that there are local rules for the harbour which override the normal rules, harbour authorities are allowed to amend them for specific purposes and if your boat is there you ought to be aware of them.
Chris Stannard
Chris Stannard
Peppermint
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Perception
I'd expect to get maybe 70% in a lights/dayshapes test. I'm told this would get me through a Panamanian mates exam.
I try to teach people to read lights giving priority to aspect & direction. You can try to work out what your dealing with, using reference material if necessary, calmly if you know which way it's heading.
In my experience yotties often decide on a course of action, I.E. getting the hell out of there, very early. This often leads to circumstances changing and requiring another decision/course change being made.
I'd expect to get maybe 70% in a lights/dayshapes test. I'm told this would get me through a Panamanian mates exam.
I try to teach people to read lights giving priority to aspect & direction. You can try to work out what your dealing with, using reference material if necessary, calmly if you know which way it's heading.
In my experience yotties often decide on a course of action, I.E. getting the hell out of there, very early. This often leads to circumstances changing and requiring another decision/course change being made.
plopp
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Re: No Joke
Unfortunately for me since July no joke.Do you require proof Cornishman!
Unfortunately for me since July no joke.Do you require proof Cornishman!
plopp
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Re: No Joke,I thought not! NM
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Col
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It's a bit like a car flashing its headlights to let you out of a side road.
Highway code says this is a warning, same as horn.
Your experiance is an acceptable "slant" on the rules, in much the same way ( IMHO of course )
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Highway code says this is a warning, same as horn.
Your experiance is an acceptable "slant" on the rules, in much the same way ( IMHO of course )
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Col
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Re: No Joke,I thought not! NM
What's the story then Plopp?? Accident?
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What's the story then Plopp?? Accident?
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Gunfleet
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Re: And signals?
You mean to say you didn't immediately commit all that aeroplane wig wagging its wings flying one way then t'other to memory?
You mean to say you didn't immediately commit all that aeroplane wig wagging its wings flying one way then t'other to memory?
vyv_cox
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Re: And signals?
No, I'm too old to commit that kind of thing to memory. I intended to have another look last night but Jill has put it in the store of stuff to go back to the boat in March, so it was too much trouble. No doubt I shall receive several more, being a compulsive magazine buyer.
No, I'm too old to commit that kind of thing to memory. I intended to have another look last night but Jill has put it in the store of stuff to go back to the boat in March, so it was too much trouble. No doubt I shall receive several more, being a compulsive magazine buyer.
Opinionated
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What about loss of memory?
It's not what you know, it's knowing where to find it.
RYA testing of your knowledge of Colregs is an example of a no-compromise situation, where you either know nothing and fail, or everything, on the day, and pass.
The problem is that there is some (unidentifiable, but definable) core of lights, rules and signals which are essential:- light examples include 'normal' navigation buoys, but might exclude, say, the lights for a dredger or a long tow.
Having your waterproof crib-sheet to hand when you see a pattern of lights which you don't recognise, given a few moments to identify, will, IMHO, enable you to react more surely than relying on memory. Almost all fog signals fall into this bracket, as we just don't hear them enough to have them constantly refreshed.
So SOLAS V may be the right sort of approach, rather than insisting on passing a test that on a given day you proved you had memorised a lot of stuff - thou shalt carry, upon pain of death, light, flag and sound signal recognition sheets, easily to hand.
Most good skippers do that anyway, and when the plane arrives and waggles his wings such and such - out comes the crib sheet.
(The last such test I did was for CEVNI, crammed for two days, took the test, forgot it all, but I keep Marian Martin's little book on hand, so when I am cruising your waters, I dig it out and have no trouble at all).
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
It's not what you know, it's knowing where to find it.
RYA testing of your knowledge of Colregs is an example of a no-compromise situation, where you either know nothing and fail, or everything, on the day, and pass.
The problem is that there is some (unidentifiable, but definable) core of lights, rules and signals which are essential:- light examples include 'normal' navigation buoys, but might exclude, say, the lights for a dredger or a long tow.
Having your waterproof crib-sheet to hand when you see a pattern of lights which you don't recognise, given a few moments to identify, will, IMHO, enable you to react more surely than relying on memory. Almost all fog signals fall into this bracket, as we just don't hear them enough to have them constantly refreshed.
So SOLAS V may be the right sort of approach, rather than insisting on passing a test that on a given day you proved you had memorised a lot of stuff - thou shalt carry, upon pain of death, light, flag and sound signal recognition sheets, easily to hand.
Most good skippers do that anyway, and when the plane arrives and waggles his wings such and such - out comes the crib sheet.
(The last such test I did was for CEVNI, crammed for two days, took the test, forgot it all, but I keep Marian Martin's little book on hand, so when I am cruising your waters, I dig it out and have no trouble at all).
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Opinionated
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Re: And signals?
PS what are the wing-waggles for "your are standing into danger"?
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
PS what are the wing-waggles for "your are standing into danger"?
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
vyv_cox
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And your point is?
Of course I don't try or pretend to remember everything - does anybody? The list of information that we "need" to carry seems to be growing daily. Any sign that bookshelves in new designs are expanding to comply?
My point was that I don't find the signals suggested to be anywhere near sufficiently unequivocal. I suggest that waving arms, flares or smokes in a particular fashion to a passing aeroplane may not be especially helpful.
Of course I don't try or pretend to remember everything - does anybody? The list of information that we "need" to carry seems to be growing daily. Any sign that bookshelves in new designs are expanding to comply?
My point was that I don't find the signals suggested to be anywhere near sufficiently unequivocal. I suggest that waving arms, flares or smokes in a particular fashion to a passing aeroplane may not be especially helpful.
Opinionated
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Re: And your point is?
Why so twitchy? I am agreeing with you !!
My point is that we CANNOT remember everything. My statement about CEVNI is particularly relevant. Since I do not go inland waters very often, I have quite literally forgotten ALL of CEVNI. But having a plastic coated cribsheet - not requiring any bookshelf space, incidentally, means that I can quickly look at the blue and yellow alternating lights and identify what they mean.
I actually go further than that: if I am crossing the Channel TSS, and I see a great pole of white lights one on top of the other, approaching a couple of miles away to port - since I don't rely on memory, I snatch my lights cribsheet and a few moments later, I am reducing sail and manoeuvering so as to keep WELL clear of what I have just identified (even if it means travelling at other than right-angles, which of course IS part of the core curriculum).
What about my PS... the plane is still circling us, and a flashing light is now pulsing at us, what the hell does it mean... oh, yes, it's MORSE... he must be flashing some signal to me... wonder what it is? Down for the crib-sheet on MORSE, bugger, haven't got one... use Reed's.... here it is.... bloooddy hellllll arrrgh.....
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Why so twitchy? I am agreeing with you !!
My point is that we CANNOT remember everything. My statement about CEVNI is particularly relevant. Since I do not go inland waters very often, I have quite literally forgotten ALL of CEVNI. But having a plastic coated cribsheet - not requiring any bookshelf space, incidentally, means that I can quickly look at the blue and yellow alternating lights and identify what they mean.
I actually go further than that: if I am crossing the Channel TSS, and I see a great pole of white lights one on top of the other, approaching a couple of miles away to port - since I don't rely on memory, I snatch my lights cribsheet and a few moments later, I am reducing sail and manoeuvering so as to keep WELL clear of what I have just identified (even if it means travelling at other than right-angles, which of course IS part of the core curriculum).
What about my PS... the plane is still circling us, and a flashing light is now pulsing at us, what the hell does it mean... oh, yes, it's MORSE... he must be flashing some signal to me... wonder what it is? Down for the crib-sheet on MORSE, bugger, haven't got one... use Reed's.... here it is.... bloooddy hellllll arrrgh.....
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Opinionated
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Re: And your point is?
On the other hand...
Getting my crib sheet out, for waving to aeroplanes to tell them I am in a Mayday situation, since the bugger can't see I am sinking... fast... I will give him EXACTLY the rightest signal for the occasion - I hope.
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
On the other hand...
Getting my crib sheet out, for waving to aeroplanes to tell them I am in a Mayday situation, since the bugger can't see I am sinking... fast... I will give him EXACTLY the rightest signal for the occasion - I hope.
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Gunfleet
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Re: And signals?
I laminated a copy from a magazine and put it on the boat too. There are some very wierd signals in it though - this is not a safe place to land for example. Since I'll be on a boat or in the water this should be self evident!
I laminated a copy from a magazine and put it on the boat too. There are some very wierd signals in it though - this is not a safe place to land for example. Since I'll be on a boat or in the water this should be self evident!
jimi
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Re: And signals?
When I've been on Sunsail boats they've got them pasted to thr heads door, presumably so that when danger threatens and you dive for the loo, you then spot 'em say aha "I know what to do now!! emerge composed and signal away to your hearts content!
When I've been on Sunsail boats they've got them pasted to thr heads door, presumably so that when danger threatens and you dive for the loo, you then spot 'em say aha "I know what to do now!! emerge composed and signal away to your hearts content!
vyv_cox
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Why so twitchy? I am agreeing with you !!
It must be the way you tell 'em!
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It must be the way you tell 'em!
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Opinionated
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Re: Why so twitchy? I am agreeing with you !!
Probably.
But I do take the care to read what other people post. Seems to me a bad habit around here is to get the twitchy fingers typing out a riposte on a quick scan. A second read is always worth it if it is worth replying to.
Steve101 has been mentioned around here - but Steve's problem, as I saw it, was not that he posted trolls or whatever, it was that he ended up being really personal, and sending objectionable PMs. I see no need for that - disagreement doesn't mean we have to be personal.
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Probably.
But I do take the care to read what other people post. Seems to me a bad habit around here is to get the twitchy fingers typing out a riposte on a quick scan. A second read is always worth it if it is worth replying to.
Steve101 has been mentioned around here - but Steve's problem, as I saw it, was not that he posted trolls or whatever, it was that he ended up being really personal, and sending objectionable PMs. I see no need for that - disagreement doesn't mean we have to be personal.
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Opinionated
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Re: Why so twitchy? I am agreeing with you !!
Probably.
But I do take the care to read what other people post. Seems to me a bad habit around here is to get the twitchy fingers typing out a riposte on a quick scan. A second read is always worth it if it is worth replying to.
Steve101 has been mentioned around here - but Steve's problem, as I saw it, was not that he posted trolls or whatever, it was that he ended up being really personal, and sending objectionable PMs. I see no need for that - disagreement doesn't mean we have to be personal.
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
Probably.
But I do take the care to read what other people post. Seems to me a bad habit around here is to get the twitchy fingers typing out a riposte on a quick scan. A second read is always worth it if it is worth replying to.
Steve101 has been mentioned around here - but Steve's problem, as I saw it, was not that he posted trolls or whatever, it was that he ended up being really personal, and sending objectionable PMs. I see no need for that - disagreement doesn't mean we have to be personal.
(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).
