Lifting Keel & Twin Rudders

tim

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Hi,
I'm considering replacing my bilge keel salty dog with a new cruiser this year. The Beneteau Oceanis and Jeanneau range interest me because they also can dry out. Does anyone know of other makes that offer an arrangement whereby the centreboard lifts into a keel stub and has twin rudders to provide drying out stability?
As an aside, do these boats offer performance closer to fin keelers (as opposed to bilge keeler performance), and presumably they can be sailed without the centreboard down (albeit with lots of leeway) because most of the stability comes from the keel stub?
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Tim
 

billmacfarlane

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Feeling do a shoal draft range but I'm not sure whether they have a stub keel or drop keel. I owned a Jeanneau with a stub keel and yes you could sail it with the plate up.
 

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Have a look at http://www.sealasc.org.uk/ where you will find Parker Liftkeel Yachts. My family have had a 275 (now 285hs) and currently sail a 335Hs. If you need a yacht that will perform as well as any fin keeled cruiser/racer yet has all the advantages of beng able to dry out easily (the hydraulic wing keel on the 335 is a particular masterpiece of engineering and design) or vary the draught of the keel without sacrificing too much performance (makes secondary port tidal calculations much easier!) look no further. They are British built have an active owners association and command excellent second values. Oh and they also sail beautifully.
 

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I will second that

The Parkers will beat Bens and Jans into cocked hat

Had a 31 for 8 years. Love it.
 

charles_reed

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Parkers

Interesting how we Brits denigrate our own products.

Bill produces some of the best hi-tech racing dinghies in Europe - his cruising boats are infrequently associated with these.

I've the pre-production Parker 31, sailed her about 45K miles over the last 11 years, quite frequently put more than 200M into 24 hours and taken her up the Guadiana as far as Mertola - apart from most drying anchorages between Pwllheli and Cadiz.

Super boat, a bit cranky, but haven't seen any boat which packs so much into so little space.

Comparison with Janbenbavs a bit difficult, because it's built with fierce disregard for marketing economics - it's for sailing, exploring impossible drying corners and going places other boats couldn't attempt at speeds your Westmoodpackets couldn't envisage.

Don't buy one - you'll never be able to put up with anything else.
 

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SOUTHERLY 110 HAS TWIN RUDDERS AND SITS ON HER GROUNDING PLATE, SAILS VERY WELL, BETTER THAN MOST SOUTHERLYS. ABOUT 35/36 FEET LONG AND HAS, I THINK, A BETTER LAYOUT INSIDE THAN A PARKER
 

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Beware, once you buy a yacht that can dry out/ meander along shallow canals/get to those places only day boats normally reach, you will never want a fixed keel again. I have an old Baraccuda which I would not swop for any new fixed keel wonder, even though she regularly falls to bits around me!
 
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