Kwiggle folding bike

[Daydream believer]

I didn't use a trailer, but rather found a full set of panniers more useful and compact. They hook right onto shopping carts and can be carried right into the boat. The bike does not to have the correct carriers, front and rear, which would not work on most folding bikes.

Brompton have sussed that-- at a cost

 

[ylop]

I don't think any e-scooter users were former cyclists.

We are both cyclists. If e-scooters were legal (we are U.K. based) we would have e-scooters on board - the folders in the OP are interesting but I suspect are too many compromises to be fun for a “real” cyclist anyway.

 

[Bouba]

We are both cyclists. If e-scooters were legal (we are U.K. based) we would have e-scooters on board - the folders in the OP are interesting but I suspect are too many compromises to be fun for a “real” cyclist anyway.

My e-scooter is an off roader....and can be fun. But as the video says, first and foremost you need transport for victualling. E-scooters are very handy for that...you can take them inside the shop for security. If you want cycling as exercise....or to go great distances....then you need a bicycle....a proper one

 

[st599]

My e-scooter is an off roader....and can be fun. But as the video says, first and foremost you need transport for victualling. E-scooters are very handy for that...you can take them inside the shop for security. If you want cycling as exercise....or to go great distances....then you need a bicycle....a proper one

You can own an escooter in the UK, but you can only use it on private land, only hired escooters are legal in oublic and you need to have category Q on your driving licence.

Obviously this is widely disregarded and not enforced.

 

[Bouba]

You can own an escooter in the UK, but you can only use it on private land, only hired escooters are legal in oublic and you need to have category Q on your driving licence.

Obviously this is widely disregarded and not enforced.

In France there are many laws…and I am probably the only person who obeys them. First is they have to be emasculated (20kph I think)…insured (expensive as the wife reminds me especially as I hardly use it)…no seat (then it’s classed as a motorcycle). Helmet. I also use reflective jacket and gloves. One person only…even though you see mothers picking up their child from school…or two young people on them. You can use cycle lanes or roads that are no more than 50kph. But it’s up to the mayor where you can use them

 

[ylop]

You can own an escooter in the UK, but you can only use it on private land, only hired escooters are legal in oublic and you need to have category Q on your driving licence.

Obviously this is widely disregarded and not enforced.

Actually it is enforced up here - not 100%, but certainly far too much for any normal driver to take the risk with - usually prosecuted for driving without insurance 6pts and £300 + seized scooter…

 

[thinwater]

Very little regulation in the US, and so far, accidents have not been a big problem. But it could change with rising popularity. For the present, it is wait-and-see.

 

[Daydream believer]

My e-scooter is an off roader....and can be fun. But as the video says, first and foremost you need transport for victualling. E-scooters are very handy for that...you can take them inside the shop for security. If you want cycling as exercise....or to go great distances....then you need a bicycle....a proper one

There are quite a lot of stories of people touring europe on Bromptons, so they are not quite as restrictive as your post suggests. I am using mine for exercise. My road bike has not been used much in the last few years, (Especially since I fell off it due to exhaustion)
They can be part folded & wheeled around a shop, or dropped into a shopping trolley. Although I think the E version too heavy for that.
That being said, no one could deny that the Brompton really is a city bike, rather than a tourer

 

[Bouba]

E-scooters used to be cheap....but after covid the price skyrocketed. So a pair of them is a lot of money....and that gives you a dilemma as there aren’t really any recognizable brands....they all tend to be clones of each other from the same Far East monolith. Also they have known faults....the control switches, and the internal wiring (which I have repaired myself with YouTube guidance....but you have to like soldering angel hair wires before you start)....what I’m saying is they are a gamble....plus you need charging facilities onboard. But as far as utility to storage size goes.....they are unbeatable

 

[webcraft]

. . . so no-one has ridden a Kwiggle?

- W

 

[fredrussell]

. . . so no-one has ridden a Kwiggle?

- W

It would seem not. They’ve certainly pulled off an amazing feat by making a bike fold smaller than a Brompton. Any rider reviews of the Kwiggle yet?

I’ve had Dahons, Birdys, cheapos and Bromptons- the latter is still the benchmark folder in my opinion.

 

[billskip]

. . . so no-one has ridden a Kwiggle?

- W

Not ridden one but seen many around los cristianos...escooters here are beginning to be a problem with legislation and police stop many, but seem to ignore the bikes on the pavement/ pedestrian ways.
But if you want small have you seen this?

 

[ylop]

Not ridden one but seen many around los cristianos...escooters here are beginning to be a problem with legislation and police stop many, but seem to ignore the bikes on the pavement/ pedestrian ways.
But if you want small have you seen this?

Ah now that looks like a clone of Clive Sinclairs A-bike which I have briefly ridden: it had a lot of redeeming features but felt like a circus act. I think you could probably get used to the precariousness, but I’d worry that a cloned version skimped on the things that actually made the original unique - oil free, very light weight etc. it’s definitely a “mile to the shops” rather than an all day ride machine.

 

[Daydream believer]

What one needs to look at is the load carrying ability of the bike. My Brompton is OK with my current 17 stone but looking at the Kwiggle I might feel a little insecure
In addition the extra long seat post copes OK with my 6ft 6 ins height. I think that I might be a bit bunched up on a kwiggle making cycling difficult