flaming
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Sounds like there's going to be some demand for her then!
JPK 39FC
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John_Silver
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In demand design, nearly new, no (I’m guessing, but have asked) post B-word double VAT/TVA encumbrance…..
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doris
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Surely being a CI boat they have no VAT/TVA encumbrance, best of all n worlds. Should make the ssle v quick and easy.
dunedin
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Only if the price reflects this. A UK buyer wanting to sail the boat in the UK would in that situation be immediately hit with a bill of 20% on bringing here?
doris
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Now back from doing the RC Celtic Triangle, I can confirm that it’s a great event. But it is NOT the old Triangle.
This one was put together very quickly due to the input of the UK Double Handed Group run by Kate Cope and from the SORC, driven by Nigel Coley. They asked the R Cornwall if they could organise it, and organise it they did, amazing well with little notice. To get 33 starters was terrific. I suspect it will run again next year then bi-annually to dove tail with the AZAB.
From Falmouth to Kinsale was a great sail, outside the Manacles then the finish , all pretty easy, just stay out of the TSS.
We were 2nd to the Manacles, which was a close reach but then we had to beat in light sloppy stuff to Longships. Tacking the genoa is a pain due to the permanent staysail but we’re getting better at it. Also keeping the boat moving in a light sloppy stuff is tricky but we’re getting there.
Halfway across the Celtic sea we were freed off and it became a blast to the finish where the lack of a Code zero hurt us. We are a cruising boat and there is a limit to how many sails I want, the genoa goes well but not as well as a zero.As the wind built we put three rolls in it’s we reached along at between 9 and 10 kts. Eventually we went down to the staysail and one reef, we maintained the speed but had we been serious I suspect we would have pushed a tad harder but backing off just a tad makes the boat way more comfy and still silly quick for a 38 footer.
There was a virtual mark 20 miles SW of Kinsale inserted in leg 2 in order to make it 300 miles long and this leg was a qualifier for the AZAB in two years time. Beating out past the headland was tricky for us and the reach to the mark ditto but we always knew that would be the case.
Then we settled down to set off south, comfy and cruisey without a zero again, and round Bishops Rock. Here I bottled it large. I should have put the big A2 up but went for the smaller kite. I’m just not yet comfortable with the big sail at night in marginal conditions when short handed. Yes I know, big girl’s blouse in spades, mea culpa. That cost us a lot of speed as when we did swop to the biggie we took off like a scalded cat, a JPK even!
Treguier, as always, is delightful. But, the start for leg three was unique in my experience of sailing.
Just before we all got to the mouth of the river a huge bank of fog appeared, it duly engulfed us! WFT says the race director on Ch 72 as input was asked for. After input from a few very sensible grown up people it was decided to bin the planned start line at the mouth of the river and go to the finish line of leg 2 down at the entrance of the channel, and use Bas Crublent, a big pt hand channel marker, as the pin end, pass within 100m, take our own start times and start within a 30 minute time frame. Engines to be kept on but in neutral from one minute before the start. This proved very sensible as kindling the mark was ‘interesting’! As we started, I think there was another boat close but I’m not sure cos visibility was about 50m at the moment and the wind light ish.
We got a start and no one cheated, I don’t think, brilliant. Can you imaging trying that with a Solent fleet. With all due deference to the Solent racers……………….
Our overall result was, as expected, dire on a corrected basis. Exactly as JP told me it would be. The 39 is a cruising boat that pays no attention to the IRC algorithm. But doing the race meant we learnt huge about the boat. Still love it, the rig is wonderful for cruising. Uphill the genoa goes away at 15 TWS, the staysail is as quick or quicker and more comfy. Cracked off, a few rolls in genny works. Sprayhood is brilliant, foredeck is very stable, the cockpit works, autopilot is the mutts nutts, galley works fine in a seaway, as does the head even when doing 9-10 kts, three cabin layout would still be my preferred one, without doubt.
So all in all
❤
ps. If they run it next year, as expected, there will be solo and double handed classes. I expect the boats will do the race not the crews, a la AZAB, so crew changes allowed automatically. Obviously under IRC but there may be a YRC class to encourage cruisers in the style/ethos of the old Triangle. Some super quick racers, some very steady cruisers at the other end. Decisions will be made this September to give any competitors plenty of time to plan. Contact Jonathan Money or Neil Andrew at RCYC if you fancy a crack. This all comes without prejudice of course but I suspect I’m close.
I promise you, if you enjoy sailing offshore, you will enjoy the event. Give it some thought.
This one was put together very quickly due to the input of the UK Double Handed Group run by Kate Cope and from the SORC, driven by Nigel Coley. They asked the R Cornwall if they could organise it, and organise it they did, amazing well with little notice. To get 33 starters was terrific. I suspect it will run again next year then bi-annually to dove tail with the AZAB.
From Falmouth to Kinsale was a great sail, outside the Manacles then the finish , all pretty easy, just stay out of the TSS.
We were 2nd to the Manacles, which was a close reach but then we had to beat in light sloppy stuff to Longships. Tacking the genoa is a pain due to the permanent staysail but we’re getting better at it. Also keeping the boat moving in a light sloppy stuff is tricky but we’re getting there.
Halfway across the Celtic sea we were freed off and it became a blast to the finish where the lack of a Code zero hurt us. We are a cruising boat and there is a limit to how many sails I want, the genoa goes well but not as well as a zero.As the wind built we put three rolls in it’s we reached along at between 9 and 10 kts. Eventually we went down to the staysail and one reef, we maintained the speed but had we been serious I suspect we would have pushed a tad harder but backing off just a tad makes the boat way more comfy and still silly quick for a 38 footer.
There was a virtual mark 20 miles SW of Kinsale inserted in leg 2 in order to make it 300 miles long and this leg was a qualifier for the AZAB in two years time. Beating out past the headland was tricky for us and the reach to the mark ditto but we always knew that would be the case.
Then we settled down to set off south, comfy and cruisey without a zero again, and round Bishops Rock. Here I bottled it large. I should have put the big A2 up but went for the smaller kite. I’m just not yet comfortable with the big sail at night in marginal conditions when short handed. Yes I know, big girl’s blouse in spades, mea culpa. That cost us a lot of speed as when we did swop to the biggie we took off like a scalded cat, a JPK even!
Treguier, as always, is delightful. But, the start for leg three was unique in my experience of sailing.
Just before we all got to the mouth of the river a huge bank of fog appeared, it duly engulfed us! WFT says the race director on Ch 72 as input was asked for. After input from a few very sensible grown up people it was decided to bin the planned start line at the mouth of the river and go to the finish line of leg 2 down at the entrance of the channel, and use Bas Crublent, a big pt hand channel marker, as the pin end, pass within 100m, take our own start times and start within a 30 minute time frame. Engines to be kept on but in neutral from one minute before the start. This proved very sensible as kindling the mark was ‘interesting’! As we started, I think there was another boat close but I’m not sure cos visibility was about 50m at the moment and the wind light ish.
We got a start and no one cheated, I don’t think, brilliant. Can you imaging trying that with a Solent fleet. With all due deference to the Solent racers……………….
Our overall result was, as expected, dire on a corrected basis. Exactly as JP told me it would be. The 39 is a cruising boat that pays no attention to the IRC algorithm. But doing the race meant we learnt huge about the boat. Still love it, the rig is wonderful for cruising. Uphill the genoa goes away at 15 TWS, the staysail is as quick or quicker and more comfy. Cracked off, a few rolls in genny works. Sprayhood is brilliant, foredeck is very stable, the cockpit works, autopilot is the mutts nutts, galley works fine in a seaway, as does the head even when doing 9-10 kts, three cabin layout would still be my preferred one, without doubt.
So all in all
❤ps. If they run it next year, as expected, there will be solo and double handed classes. I expect the boats will do the race not the crews, a la AZAB, so crew changes allowed automatically. Obviously under IRC but there may be a YRC class to encourage cruisers in the style/ethos of the old Triangle. Some super quick racers, some very steady cruisers at the other end. Decisions will be made this September to give any competitors plenty of time to plan. Contact Jonathan Money or Neil Andrew at RCYC if you fancy a crack. This all comes without prejudice of course but I suspect I’m close.
I promise you, if you enjoy sailing offshore, you will enjoy the event. Give it some thought.
doris
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That applies to all boats. Obviously it will be priced net of VAT/TVA and the buyer will pay, or not, in whatever country he wishes.
Has the advantage of being VAT free should it be put to commercial use.
ridgy
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I was surprised to see a Mustang in the results but then I read the NoR and discovered it's only a cat 3 event. Interesting...
doris
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Surely being a CI boat they have no VAT/TVA encumbrance, best of all n worlds. Should make the sale v quick and easy.
doris
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Surely being a CI boat they have no VAT/TVA encumbrance, best of all worlds. Should make the sale v quick and easy.
John_Silver
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Yes, that was my line of thought.....
doris
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The original Triangle was cat 2. Now, rather more sensibly, it is cat 3 with life raft, plus a serious safety check list.
CyclopsJason
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Hello all,
What a great chain on the JPK39 FC. I just discovered it by accident. I own Cyclops, the 7th JPK.
The Antal halyard tensioner is only for my staysail. It is easy to add or subtract a couple of clicks of tension but does require a trip to the mast. I prefer a jib Cunningham for really easy quick jib adjustments but this is a cruising boat. I actually think it is important to practice leaving the cockpit so it does become foreign when bad luck forces you out of the bubble.
I will post some home generated polars at the end of the season. To that end I wish predict wind’s polar were more sail specific.
Jason
What a great chain on the JPK39 FC. I just discovered it by accident. I own Cyclops, the 7th JPK.
The Antal halyard tensioner is only for my staysail. It is easy to add or subtract a couple of clicks of tension but does require a trip to the mast. I prefer a jib Cunningham for really easy quick jib adjustments but this is a cruising boat. I actually think it is important to practice leaving the cockpit so it does become foreign when bad luck forces you out of the bubble.
I will post some home generated polars at the end of the season. To that end I wish predict wind’s polar were more sail specific.
Jason
John_Silver
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Any further issues with the bow thruster installation @CyclopsJason? Seem to recall, in one of your early YouTubes (
) that you had some water ingress. Was that just a one off commissioning glitch?
Anything you’d do differently / are very pleased that you did do, with the benefit of sea miles, spec wise?
Keep the vids coming!
) that you had some water ingress. Was that just a one off commissioning glitch?Anything you’d do differently / are very pleased that you did do, with the benefit of sea miles, spec wise?
Keep the vids coming!
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CyclopsJason
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The thruster problem was a production glitch by the thruster folks. The bearing was not sealing properly. So they gave me a new unit in the off season. No stress for me. It was a trickle leak. I did realize how thrusters are safer than sail drives for water ingress. Besides catastrophic scenarios they tend to fail with slow leaks.Any further issues with the bow thruster installation @CyclopsJason? Seem to recall, in one of your early YouTubes (
Anything you’d do differently / are very pleased that you did do, with the benefit of sea miles, spec wise?
Keep the vids coming!
I really enjoy the thruster because I am solo, new to mono hulls, twin rudder, in currents and any other excuse you can think of. I like any edge in docking but the thruster can sometimes ruin a great approach by over rotating the boat. Leaving a tight fairway is where the thruster shines.
doris
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I quite agree that take offs can be trickier than landings.
seeSimon
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We enjoyed your Utoobs Jason. Thank you.
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seeSimon
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How sure are you of this opinion please?
I shied off several French and Dutch boats post Brxit when threatened with VAT on import. Re-import of a UK built, VAT paid before export (old days) boat, in one case...
Surely you pay VAT on import to UK (CIs being some sort of "tax haven"/tax avoidance scheme - my old employers allegedly "had a base office" there)...
but I'm just a humble Engineer and don't understand such schemes ?
John_Silver
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Yes. Pay VAT or TVA on import to respective jurisdiction.
Yes. There is no VAT in CI’s
Therefore: IF asking price for Photon Infinity reflects that she is (probably) VAT or TVA unpaid ( and that was my question to vendor) she is potentially a good prospect. BECAUSE most JPK’s that come up (rarely) are French TVA paid. Which is reflected, along with their scarcity and the length of the new build waiting list, in their price. BUT if I brought one back to the UK, I’d owe HMRC 20% VAT on top of the TVA already factored into the price. Which makes them v pricey. (And the idea of paying the tax man twice upsets me). No such problem with a non VAT / TVA paid boat. You’d only pay the once. Like with a new build. BUT, as mentioned up thread, all depends on where the price gets to….Scarcity / enthusiasm might offset the first-time—around tax saving….
Not sure if that makes my meaning clearer? I seem to have managed to confuse a few people, with the original one liner!
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Numbers
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How is the Volvo Penta going? Is it the D1-30 you have?
I think I also recall you just sticking with the standard 2 blade folding prop?
Don't suppose you could share steaming speeds, in flat water, at say at 1600 RPM, 1800RPM?
I'm never in a hurry, so if I could do a half decent speed at 1600 RPM that would do me ... Anyone be able to confirm if I'd need to worry about glazing the cylinder walls at such a slow pace?
Oh, and I read the MDI controller box is a regular failure point. Is that anything you were concerned about, or are we thinking that was just in older models?
Appreciate any info
I think I also recall you just sticking with the standard 2 blade folding prop?
Don't suppose you could share steaming speeds, in flat water, at say at 1600 RPM, 1800RPM?
I'm never in a hurry, so if I could do a half decent speed at 1600 RPM that would do me ... Anyone be able to confirm if I'd need to worry about glazing the cylinder walls at such a slow pace?
Oh, and I read the MDI controller box is a regular failure point. Is that anything you were concerned about, or are we thinking that was just in older models?
Appreciate any info
