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I have been trying to find out about these two boats, but unfortunately my German/Dutch is far to rudimentary to understand anything on t'web. Does anyone know anything about these two types?
Regards,
Mike
Regards,
Mike
Jollenkreuzer and Zeeschouw
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oldfrank
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Absolutely nothing. However I may not be alone in hoping that just one day someone will produce a definitive work on Dutch flat-bottomed sailing craft in English. In the meantime many of us are left not knowing our vlets from our vletjes or even when a boier becames a tjalk. Very confusing for old country boys - yet potentially most interesting ... if only I could understand! In fact I'd help produce such a book, given a decent Dutch speaker. OF
Seanick
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Have you tried using 'Babel fish'? Just copy and paste the text into it, choose the language to translate into and await an amusing translation !!
EastCoastChris
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Google translate will let you surf foreign language web sites and translates them into English on the fly.
Try this link for example...
Even auto-detects the original language. But as Nick says, the translations can be entertaining.
Chris
Try this link for example...
Even auto-detects the original language. But as Nick says, the translations can be entertaining.
Chris
Zeeuw
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Zeeschouw
Dear Mike,
My English is probably the same as your Dutch but together we can find it out I think.
I don't know anything about a Jollenkreuzer but I can help you with a Zeeschouw:
It's a flat-bottomed vessel with flat hexagonal transom stern and stem. Much space under deck, strongly to outside falling boards and inside falling bulwark. In former days generally used as a fisherman ship or freight boat, but nowadays much seen as (steel) yacht.
Dear Mike,
My English is probably the same as your Dutch but together we can find it out I think.
I don't know anything about a Jollenkreuzer but I can help you with a Zeeschouw:
It's a flat-bottomed vessel with flat hexagonal transom stern and stem. Much space under deck, strongly to outside falling boards and inside falling bulwark. In former days generally used as a fisherman ship or freight boat, but nowadays much seen as (steel) yacht.
Bajansailor
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Here is a summary sheet of various different types of Dutch 'sailing clogs' including the Zeeschow - lovely boats!
While here are details of a Schokker and a Staverse Jol :
Vast accommodation for their length, with huge forecabins, especially in the Staverse Jol.
While here are details of a Schokker and a Staverse Jol :
Vast accommodation for their length, with huge forecabins, especially in the Staverse Jol.
Amphitrite
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I may help you a little bit with Jollenkreuzer (which could be translated as dinghy-cruisers)... they are popular in Germany, first came up in the 1920s (I think) and come in different sub-classes: 15, 16, 20, 25 and 30, with 15 and 20 probably the most popular (and being actively raced). The 15 for example has a max length of 6.5 m.
The classes are defined by some max values for length, beam etc., thus ships of the same class may differ in design. The 15 for example has a max length of 6.5 m.
They all have a centerboard and a more or less rudimentary cabin. They are sailed on the german inland lakes and rivers as well as in the Baltic (including trips to Danmark and Sweden) and in the tidal north Sea... Many can easily lower the mast for passages under bridges etc. They are made of wood, GRP or steel, some even new today.
If you need more info, just ask.
Holger
The classes are defined by some max values for length, beam etc., thus ships of the same class may differ in design. The 15 for example has a max length of 6.5 m.
They all have a centerboard and a more or less rudimentary cabin. They are sailed on the german inland lakes and rivers as well as in the Baltic (including trips to Danmark and Sweden) and in the tidal north Sea... Many can easily lower the mast for passages under bridges etc. They are made of wood, GRP or steel, some even new today.
If you need more info, just ask.
Holger
Bajansailor
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Here is a photo of a very sweet little Zeeschouw on her mooring on the Wareham River in Poole Harbour
She used to be owned by my pal Frank who is now the Custodian of the fine Carriacou sloop Tradition, mentioned in Rum Pirates excellent thread about Carriacou sloops on this Forum.
She used to be owned by my pal Frank who is now the Custodian of the fine Carriacou sloop Tradition, mentioned in Rum Pirates excellent thread about Carriacou sloops on this Forum.
paulstevens
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Jollenkreuzer
Detailed description of a 37' version designed by Artur Tiller of Berlin 1936 can be found in "Little Ships and Shoal waters" by Maurice Griffiths. This incluses pics, lines, sail plan, construction, accommodation arrangements and stability curves.
Detailed description of a 37' version designed by Artur Tiller of Berlin 1936 can be found in "Little Ships and Shoal waters" by Maurice Griffiths. This incluses pics, lines, sail plan, construction, accommodation arrangements and stability curves.
