Jennycliff Bay anchoring restrictions

[humbug716]

The following was posted on the Drakes Island faceache page on the 5th May.

"DID YOU KNOW………………
That the island is a Marine Conservation Area and that the area immediately at the front of the jetty has seagrass and these little sea horses living there?


Drake's Island is working closely with it's partner the National Marine Aquarium in order to protect, preserve and educate all areas of marine life around the island…….."

The north side of Drakes Island is another recognised popular anchorage, does this get targeted as another voluntary no anchor zone?
Environmentally friendly moorings are a long way off and I imagine demand would be high for them. Maybe they should provide the moorings first. Free of charge would be nice but I assume somebody would look upon it as a good revenue source. Which in my mind defeats the purpose of encouraging boat owners to look after the environment.

 

[dom]

The following was posted on the Drakes Island faceache page on the 5th May.

"DID YOU KNOW………………
That the island is a Marine Conservation Area and that the area immediately at the front of the jetty has seagrass and these little sea horses living there?

View attachment 114936
Drake's Island is working closely with it's partner the National Marine Aquarium in order to protect, preserve and educate all areas of marine life around the island…….."

The north side of Drakes Island is another recognised popular anchorage, does this get targeted as another voluntary no anchor zone?
Environmentally friendly moorings are a long way off and I imagine demand would be high for them. Maybe they should provide the moorings first. Free of charge would be nice but I assume somebody would look upon it as a good revenue source. Which in my mind defeats the purpose of encouraging boat owners to look after the environment.

Great photo

And love the quote! "Drake's Island is working closely with it's partner the National Marine Aquarium in order to protect, preserve and educate all areas of marine life around the island…….."

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Whenever you hear "dinosaur" "stuck in the mud" "old fashioned" "living in the past" you know that someone essentially has nothing to say, has usually not grasped the argument and frequently has jumped in without doing homework.

Or in some cases stating the exact truth concerning our elderly white priveleged demographic.

If we refuse to accept voluntary controls in mitigating an issue, then we risk legal sanction. The miscreant burdens the innocent with oppressive rules. The sucess or otherwise of the mitigating measures cannot be determined for maybe 10 or more years but that is no reason not to support them.

We strain at the gnat of admitted inconvenience and swallow the camel of ecological degradation. So resistant, when so much could be done. Happily some are doing it looking at initial part of the Drake Island posting, and maybe if I get bored of being an engineer and retire before I am 80, then I can do more too.

 

[dom]

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[humbug716]

I'm only pointing out that they are rushing around announcing conserve this and that, how about giving a carrot to the people it effects. Basic physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Studland will be acid test for peoples appetite for change.

 

[Quackers]

Great photo

And love the quote! "Drake's Island is working closely with it's partner the National Marine Aquarium in order to protect, preserve and educate all areas of marine life around the island…….."

Marines are frequently surprisingly well educated.

 

[doug748]

The following was posted on the Drakes Island faceache page on the 5th May.

"DID YOU KNOW………………
That the island is a Marine Conservation Area and that the area immediately at the front of the jetty has seagrass and these little sea horses living there?

View attachment 114936
Drake's Island is working closely with it's partner the National Marine Aquarium in order to protect, preserve and educate all areas of marine life around the island…….."

The north side of Drakes Island is another recognised popular anchorage, does this get targeted as another voluntary no anchor zone?
Environmentally friendly moorings are a long way off and I imagine demand would be high for them. Maybe they should provide the moorings first. Free of charge would be nice but I assume somebody would look upon it as a good revenue source. Which in my mind defeats the purpose of encouraging boat owners to look after the environment.

Good point.

The whole of the Sound it's estuaries and rivers are designated as protected in one way or another.

Drakes Island is not an anchorage that is used a great deal, however it is one of the few well sheltered in Southerly conditions. The avoidance area in Jennycliff may well send a few more people there.



All of the seagrass off Drakes Island is inside the 4m contour.

This might be controversial but..................

Given UK conditions. The more I look at it, the more I think that anchoring in 8 metres minimum avoids any possibility of encroaching on seagrass; past, present or future.


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[robertj]

Or in some cases stating the exact truth concerning our elderly white priveleged demographic.

If we refuse to accept voluntary controls in mitigating an issue, then we risk legal sanction. The miscreant burdens the innocent with oppressive rules. The sucess or otherwise of the mitigating measures cannot be determined for maybe 10 or more years but that is no reason not to support them.

We strain at the gnat of admitted inconvenience and swallow the camel of ecological degradation. So resistant, when so much could be done. Happily some are doing it looking at initial part of the Drake Island posting, and maybe if I get bored of being an engineer and retire before I am 80, then I can do more too.

you’re definitely a plant.

 

[robertj]

Or in some cases stating the exact truth concerning our elderly white priveleged demographic.

If we refuse to accept voluntary controls in mitigating an issue, then we risk legal sanction. The miscreant burdens the innocent with oppressive rules. The sucess or otherwise of the mitigating measures cannot be determined for maybe 10 or more years but that is no reason not to support them.

We strain at the gnat of admitted inconvenience and swallow the camel of ecological degradation. So resistant, when so much could be done. Happily some are doing it looking at initial part of the Drake Island posting, and maybe if I get bored of being an engineer and retire before I am 80, then I can do more too.

you’re Chris Packham?

 

[oldmanofthehills]

you’re definitely a plant.

Last time I looked I was a trained scientist and professional engineer / amatuer botanist and zoologist, all of which is beyond the reach of the vegetative world. So probably mostly human.

A your chops are what sir?

 

[doug748]

Further to post 2, I see that there are now a line of yellow buoys marking the sensitive area. From seaward it does not look very onerous to avoid. Last weekend it was mainly being ignored by small motor boats and a couple of cruising boats, possibly through ignorance of the request.

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[oldmanofthehills]

On the 3 September we passed it, and breifly wondered whether to anchor near there - but club night beckoned us away up the Tamar.

I was fairly dissappointed to note 3 mobos and a yacht in the exclusion zone which as noted was clearly marked. However I could not see any signs on the buoys from where we were so perhaps not surprised. Small mobo fishing folk tend not to get interested in such things as admiralty notices and the like, and without on site signs it possibly might not be clear.

There was as noted plenty of room to the north

 

[Gary Fox]

Further to post 2, I see that there are now a line of yellow buoys marking the sensitive area. From seaward it does not look very onerous to avoid. Last weekend it was mainly being ignored by small motor boats and a couple of cruising boats, possibly through ignorance of the request.

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It's voluntary. I was there on Sat 25th and several boats were anchored inside the 'zone'. I will never voluntarily submit to eco-bollox. Sensitive area my hairy ringpiece.

 

[doug748]

I have no problem in following the voluntary request, it mostly does not matter to me which part of the bay I anchor. It looks to me as if a smaller area is restricted than shown on the chart extract and it is not the sensitive issue it is in Studland.
I have no wish to bugger up the seedlings, why would I? A lot of people have worked hard on the project and there has been little of the tub thumping seen elsewhere. Some of the folk involved are on the moderate wing of conservation and believe in education rather than legislation . If they fail they will be trampled by nutters like Packham.

The Queens Harbour Master's office puts out information, requests and directions. They address people as responsible professionals, even though most of us are not:

"3. To protect the beds whilst they are establishing, mariners are requested not to anchor, lay marks or pots in the southern part of Jennycliff Bay within the area outlined by the orange polygon on the chart extract at Annex A"

It's looks clear from the moderate language that bans are not on the agenda, on the QHM's watch, and it couched as a temporary request. It's from an office with absolute jurisdiction, not known for radicalism or pandering to third parties. I am happy comply were I can, if we don't then it is difficult to expect support from that direction in the future.

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[Gary Fox]

I have no problem in following the voluntary request, it mostly does not matter to me which part of the bay I anchor. It looks to me as if a smaller area is restricted than shown on the chart extract and it is not the sensitive issue it is in Studland.
I have no wish to bugger up the seedlings, why would I? A lot of people have worked hard on the project and there has been little of the tub thumping seen elsewhere. Some of the folk involved are on the moderate wing of conservation and believe in education rather than legislation . If they fail they will be trampled by nutters like Packham.

The Queens Harbour Master's office puts out information, requests and directions. They address people as responsible professionals, even though most of us are not:

"3. To protect the beds whilst they are establishing, mariners are requested not to anchor, lay marks or pots in the southern part of Jennycliff Bay within the area outlined by the orange polygon on the chart extract at Annex A"

It's looks clear from the moderate language that bans are not on the agenda, on the QHM's watch, and it couched as a temporary request. It's from an office with absolute jurisdiction, not known for radicalism or pandering to third parties. I am happy comply were I can, if we don't then it is difficult to expect support from that direction in the future.

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Good points ^^ The actual area of yellow buoys is tiny, the seabed is flat or gently shelving, and anchoring outside the yellow buoys is just as easy as inside them. I would gob on their back for the sake of social harmony, but am 100% skeptical it makes any difference.

 

[Pete7]

Good luck with getting Eel grass to grow there. Last time I dived it was just rock, pebbles and single with a good covering of kelp. Did spot and catch a nice Plaice for tea.