Jennycliff Bay anchoring restrictions

[oldmanofthehills]

That's in the last 25 years. You are a luddite.

No I am a senior technologist and ex R&D engineer, engaged in cutting edge development of the S xxxx railway system. This system also involves batteries but I better say no more.

However as a technologist I always work by the maxim that the lowest tech solution that gives the required results is best, and more relevant to this discussion, to try and ensure management never pin hopes of project completion on an untried unproven technology.

When an affordable ecologically sound battery pack can take my van 400 miles between recharge and the recharge of van takes the same length of time as eating my pasty or burger, then we have the problem cracked for road transport. Boating might then follow though as I said the need to go to marinas for recharge might render moorings non viable for many. Until then its a craft driven by unicorns.

 

[robertj]

The RYA are actually in partnership with this scheme. Arent they supposed to be speaking up for us to minimise this erosion of our access to anchorages in the name of conservation? Which is more important - to be seen to be 'green' or to protect the interests of their members?

Ask them. I have.

England’s largest seagrass planting programme underway

I know serverl friends have cancelled their membership because if this very situation of the RYA sponsoring this action.
may I suggest those who are members or about to renew do the same. If they are not working in the interest of boat owners why sponsor them.

 

[doug748]

I know serverl friends have cancelled their membership because if this very situation of the RYA sponsoring this action.
may I suggest those who are members or about to renew do the same. If they are not working in the interest of boat owners why sponsor them.

Indeed, good for them.

At the risk of boring on from post 29, the points to make, as you decline to renew, might be:


Why is it left to the Marine Conservation Society to promote the idea of cooperation, ownership and education, for everyone, as the way forward. Why are only the MCS explicitly saying that bans are not the way forward? Why did it have to come from them, an organisation not founded on promoting the interests of sailors?

Why do they not come out strongly to correct the highly misleading media reports?

Why are they not doing practical things like publishing clearing depths for anchoring - which makes it so much easier to find the best shelter and avoid the new planting, whilst on the water? Where is the education push at club and regional level?


If the RYA is set to participate as just another conservation body - where does that leave the membership and RYA remit?


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[oldmanofthehills]

Indeed, good for them.

At the risk of boring on from post 29, the points to make, as you decline to renew, might be:


Why is it left to the Marine Conservation Society to promote the idea of cooperation, ownership and education, for everyone, as the way forward. Why are only the MCS explicitly saying that bans are not the way forward? Why did it have to come from them, an organisation not founded on promoting the interests of sailors?

Why do they not come out strongly to correct the highly misleading media reports?

Why are they not doing practical things like publishing clearing depths for anchoring - which makes it so much easier to find the best shelter and avoid the new planting, whilst on the water? Where is the education push at club and regional level?

If the RYA is set to participate as just another conservation body - where does that leave the membership and RYA remit?

Sadly my take is that the RYA are only interested in promoting sailing as a sport and an olympic sport at that. We have or had a similar problem in the British Mountaineering Council and there have been resignation from the board and protests. However the BMC is now engaged in restitution of mountains and tracks which is a good thing, and they are active in maintaining access rights

Obviously young lithe photogenic racing dinghy and offshore yacht crews have no need to anchor and would never know what an anchor was.

The RYA are also madly going along with the government line that chemical flares are bad despite contrary evidence from rescue organisations.

Protest to the RYA, as leaving them gives us no voice at all

 

[oldharry]

Protest to RYA . I met the CEO formally in the early days of BORG, which lead to several years cooperation over the proposals. RYA personnel changed and the contact was lost. I have now written to CEO again.

The more people who contact them with dissatisfaction about the direction they are now going, the better! I have a head start having already worked with them, but if they get a lot of people saying the same, then we may actually swing them back to prioritising member's interests! I have fired a broadside - but it will have a lot more impact if you back me!

 

[st599]

One issue not raised so far is that part of the UK's climate plan is to sequester carbon in seagrass meadows.
Underwater Meadows of Seagrass Could Be the Ideal Carbon Sinks
Seagrass beats rainforests as carbon sink
High variability of Blue Carbon storage in seagrass meadows at the estuary scale

To reach the targets the UK has set, the changes required are huge.

The RYA are actually in partnership with this scheme. Arent they supposed to be speaking up for us to minimise this erosion of our access to anchorages in the name of conservation? Which is more important - to be seen to be 'green' or to protect the interests of their members?

Dr Jean Luc Solandt says:

“We’ve also sought funding to support installation of moorings that avoid ‘chain scrape’ on the seabed in Plymouth, allowing boating and seagrass to live side by side. Our networks of volunteers and educators are informing the wider public of these solutions.”
He added: “There are many positive solutions to the environmental and climate crisis that don’t have to involve blanket bans...."
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If you like the MCS stance, it would help if as many people as possible gave them an Email to tell them so.
If you are in the RYA you might ask them why this stunning idea has had to come from a third party

The RYA are involved in schemes to try and work out how moorings can operate within seagrass beds, e.g. Yarmouth now has buoys that use floats to keep the chain from scouring.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

One issue not raised so far is that part of the UK's climate plan is to sequester carbon in seagrass meadows.
Underwater Meadows of Seagrass Could Be the Ideal Carbon Sinks
Seagrass beats rainforests as carbon sink
High variability of Blue Carbon storage in seagrass meadows at the estuary scale

To reach the targets the UK has set, the changes required are huge.

The RYA are involved in schemes to try and work out how moorings can operate within seagrass beds, e.g. Yarmouth now has buoys that use floats to keep the chain from scouring.

Thats a bit more positive really. Otherwise we would have to choose between sailing being doomed or the human race. Happily we are an inventive species and one of our primary attributes is cooperation and altruism, so quite good at working together on things when we fully recognise a danger. We just need a kick up the fundametal.

 

[dom]

Thats a bit more positive really. Otherwise we would have to choose between sailing being doomed or the human race. Happily we are an inventive species and one of our primary attributes is cooperation and altruism, so quite good at working together on things when we fully recognise a danger. We just need a kick up the fundametal.

Quite agree.

We can forget about coal-fired electricity stations, cement kilns, airplane travel, bottom-trawling, and other such distractions.

It's anchored sailing vessels what are causing global catastrophe.

And lest we forget, the ancient city of Atlantis was lost to thoughtless dugout anchoring.

 

[Matador]

50+ boats and a warship anchored in Cawsands bay on Sunday. We're doomed!

 

[ryanroberts]

The problem with all-encompassing moral objectives like climate change mitigation is that it is rather easy for people to hitch their biases to and find evidence to justify it. Reason can become something of a fig leaf for priors, a long standing problem within businesses etc too. I am slightly miffed at the prospect of having this new to me world arbitrarily restricted, particularly as I have lived mostly off grid for a decade and work with smart energy, EV charging. I think I get at least one free anchor drop on a sea horse for being such a good boy otherwise.

 

[nortada]

Jennycliff Bay?

Seem to recall that in days of old, for reasons obvious, this was called Fever Bay?

The plague on them say I.

 

[oldharry]

Thats a bit more positive really. Otherwise we would have to choose between sailing being doomed or the human race. Happily we are an inventive species and one of our primary attributes is cooperation and altruism, so quite good at working together on things when we fully recognise a danger. We just need a kick up the fundametal.

'co-operation and altruism' has been significantly lacking in this debate. "Sealgrass must not be disturbed or it will fail. The fact that in Studland it has spread and occupied all the space it is likely to, given the exposed nature of the northern end of the Bay, is irrelevant. Boats must be banned. End of.

Dare to challenge it and you are branded a "wealthy gin and tonic swilling Sunday afternoon yachtsmen, pursuing your own interest at the expense of the environment" (Packham, BBCTv 'Coast'). Where's the co-operation or altruism in a comment like that? And he is a very long way from being the only one to say it.

Yes of course we must work together to try to save the environment. But the operative is 'together'. that isnt just sitting back and doing as we are told by people who cant even be bothered t check their facts.

There just is not an issue with anchoring in Studland. Anyone who goes there regularly knows that!

 

[Quackers]

'co-operation and altruism' has been significantly lacking in this debate. "Sealgrass must not be disturbed or it will fail. The fact that in Studland it has spread and occupied all the space it is likely to, given the exposed nature of the northern end of the Bay, is irrelevant. Boats must be banned. End of.

Dare to challenge it and you are branded a "wealthy gin and tonic swilling Sunday afternoon yachtsmen, pursuing your own interest at the expense of the environment" (Packham, BBCTv 'Coast'). Where's the co-operation or altruism in a comment like that? And he is a very long way from being the only one to say it.

Yes of course we must work together to try to save the environment. But the operative is 'together'. that isnt just sitting back and doing as we are told by people who cant even be bothered t check their facts.

There just is not an issue with anchoring in Studland. Anyone who goes there regularly knows that!

Hear hear, especially people who've had the contradictory research presented to them on a plate and are apparently unwilling to even read it

 

[oldmanofthehills]

Jesus what a bunch of stick in the mud old men. Is this the wont try, wont do better club? No wonder youngsters dont want to join us in sailing, we seem stuck with Noah not marching firmly into a new future.

We are offered possible solutions but the mild inconvenience on some fairly insignificant bay makes us all flinch.

Perhaps we deserve our fate and our fading from history or even existence

 

[dom]

Jesus what a bunch of stick in the mud old men. Is this the wont try, wont do better club? No wonder youngsters dont want to join us in sailing, we seem stuck with Noah not marching firmly into a new future.

There‘d be worse people to be stuck with than Noah if sea levels rise as expected. And Noah did not get stuck in the mud, that’s the whole point!

Aside from which, it is said that “Noah walked with God ....a righteous man, blameless in his age”.

Prompting God to choose him and his family to survive and seed the rest of humanity following errors he (God) made in The World v1.1.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

There‘d be worse people to be stuck with than Noah if sea levels rise as expected. And Noah did not get stuck in the mud, that’s the whole point!

Aside from which, it is said that “Noah walked with God ....a righteous man, blameless in his age”.

Prompting God to choose him and his family to survive and seed the rest of humanity following errors he (God) made in The World v1.1.

Your god walked with Noah the righteous man who took heed of gods warning of a sudden rise in water level. The water is rising again. Do you think your god would be so kind to you if you fecklessly destroy his creation?

 

[robertj]

Jesus what a bunch of stick in the mud old men. Is this the wont try, wont do better club? No wonder youngsters dont want to join us in sailing, we seem stuck with Noah not marching firmly into a new future.

We are offered possible solutions but the mild inconvenience on some fairly insignificant bay makes us all flinch.

Perhaps we deserve our fate and our fading from history or even existence

RYA plant

 

[dom]

Your god walked with Noah the righteous man who took heed of gods warning of a sudden rise in water level. The water is rising again. Do you think your god would be so kind to you if you fecklessly destroy his creation?

You seem to miss the fact that the sailing community you so deride is about as ecofriendly a community as can be imagined. Compare it to say motorboating, motor racing, flying away on hols, etc.

Which is why the fast majority of sailors are open to environmental solutions based on good science, for as with the Covid-19 pandemic, only good science will prevail.

And that absolutely does not mean bowing to every seahorse fanatic, eco-nutter, and shouty Extinction Rebellion extremist.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

You seem to miss the fact that the sailing community you so deride is about as ecofriendly a community as can be imagined. Compare it to say motorboating, motor racing, flying away on hols, etc.

Which is why the fast majority of sailors are open to environmental solutions based on good science, for as with the Covid-19 pandemic, only good science will prevail.

And that absolutely does not mean bowing to every seahorse fanatic, eco-nutter, and shouty Extinction Rebellion extremist.

However you might want to bow to ecologists, botanists, zoologists and climate scientists (warming has been spotted for about as long as we had good instruments, it just was not that noticeable and we had no idea of our own impact).

The sailing community is elderly and can be rather inward looking, and sadly is in fair decline. Better to talk to the young who will be reaping the rewards or consequences of our policies when we are but ash cast on the waters

XR are a strange bunch, but the prophets often are.

 

[doug748]

RYA plant

Plant may be overstating it. : -)

It's an iron rule. Whenever you hear "dinosaur" "stuck in the mud" "old fashioned" "living in the past" you know that someone essentially has nothing to say, has usually not grasped the argument and frequently has jumped in without doing homework.

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