Is this a legal ensign for a British registered ship?

[Cornishman]

No, I am not in favour. All we ask for is that Cornwall is recognised as being different from the rest of England. There are a few hot heads who want autonomy, as you put it, but Cornwall has benefited much from being part of Great Britain and most are proud to be part of the Union. From what I hear the chance of any referendum in Scotland on the subject of autonomy will be lost, SNP's latest successes being more anti New Labour than pro independence.
What a lot of people do not realise is that St Piran is really the patron saint of tinners and not just of Cornwall. You will see the cross in Devon's flag.

 

[Bergman]

"If sailing up in God's country, you will see many boats flying the Scottish Red Ensign."

Why would they fly that thing in Yorkshire?

 

[JasB]

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Why do you want the Flag of St. George to be such a small part of your proposed ensign?

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Yeah, yeah...only picture I could find...give me a break, it's my birthday. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[Birdseye]

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The name of this country is "Eire", or "Ireland " in English (see here.) http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/html%20files/Constitution%20of%20Ireland%20(Eng).htm

Why would a Scottish ensign be handier than an English one, when over here.??

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No, its Paddiland whatever the Teapot says. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I would have thought the Scottish ensign would have been a disadvantage over there - after all its the Scots settlers in the north that have caused both you and us so much aggro.

 

[Norman_E]

Quote "Cornwall has benefited much from being part of Great Britain and most are proud to be part of the Union. "

I think Cornwall has benefited from being part of England, rather than of Great Britain. The other parts spend a disproportionate part of total tax revenues, and certainly much more than they contribute. It is a cost England bears for the sake of maintaining the Union, and most of us bore that cost without complaint until a crackpot devolution scheme made the inequity obvious by such things as the unequal treatment of the costs of residential care for the elderly between the rest of the UK and Scotland.

 

[Jezlyn]

In that case you must be an "Admiral of the Fleet".

 

[Slowtack]

In my experience boats of any and all flags are welcome in Ireland, whether Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland.

 

[snowleopard]

I read recently in the context of the SNP election campaign that 1/3 of scots voters would support independence for Scotland but 2/3 of english would support it. Makes me doubt Salmond's claim that Scotland could opt back into the union if they didn't like it outside.

In the case of Cornwall I think natives are now outnumbered by incomers so they have no chance of getting their way.

 

[Guest]

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Don't think it actually repealled the right to fly the Scottish ensign although I am sure someone will come up with chapter and verse where it did.

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Yes, the right to fly the "Scottish ensign" was repealed. £50,000 fine plus confiscation of boat plus a spell in chokey.

 

[Guest]

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"If sailing up in God's country."

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Reminds me of what must be the world's most stupoid advertising campaign. Visitors to Scotland are greeted at the airports by the slogan "The best small country in the world". A bit offensive to tourists from small countries, isn't it? They need to add the words "except Luxembourg, Lithuania, Lichtenstein, the Vatican, Estonia, Latvia, Georgia, Wales, Monaco, Moldova etc. etc. etc."

 

[cliff]

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Don't think it actually repealled the right to fly the Scottish ensign although I am sure someone will come up with chapter and verse where it did.

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Yes, the right to fly the "Scottish ensign" was repealed. £50,000 fine plus confiscation of boat plus a spell in chokey.

[/ QUOTE ]Can you provide chapter and verse please or is that just another "urban myth" - Judging by the number of boats in Scotland flying the Scottish Ensign it would appear the authorities are ignorant of the afore mention "repeal" of the right to fly it.
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[Guest]

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Can you provide chapter and verse please or is that just another "urban myth"

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S2 of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995.

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2.—(1) The flag which every British ship is entitled to fly is the red ensign (without any defacement or modification) and, subject to subsections (2) and (3) below, no other colours.

(2) Subsection (1) above does not apply to Government ships.

(3) The following are also proper national colours, that is to say—
(a) any colours allowed to be worn in pursuance of a warrant from Her Majesty or from the Secretary of State;
(b) in the case of British ships registered in a relevant British possession, any colours consisting of the red ensign defaced or modified whose adoption for ships registered in that possession is authorised or confirmed by Her Majesty by Order in Council.
(4) Any Order under subsection (3)(b) above shall be laid before Parliament after being made

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and S. 3(6) of the same Act:

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(6) Any person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—
(a) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding £50,000;
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or a fine, or both.

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[Guest]

Sorry, should also have mentioned

Section 4:

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4.—(1) If any of the following colours, namely—
(a) any distinctive national colours except—
(i) the red ensign,
(ii) the Union flag (commonly known as the Union Jack) with a white border, or
(iii) any colours authorised or confirmed under section 2(3)(b); or
(b) any colours usually worn by Her Majesty's ships or resembling those of Her Majesty, or
(c) the pendant usually carried by Her Majesty's ships or any pendant resembling that pendant,
are hoisted on board any British ship without warrant from Her Majesty or from the Secretary of State, the master of the ship, or the owner of the ship (if on board), and every other person hoisting them shall be guilty of an offence.

(2) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable—
(a) on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum;
(b) on conviction on indictment, to a fine.

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and Section 3(4) and 3(5):

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(4) If the master or owner of a British ship does anything, or permits anything to be done, for the purpose of concealing the nationality of the ship, the ship shall be liable to forfeiture and the master, the owner and any charterer of the ship shall each be guilty of an offence.

(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsections (1) and (4) above, those subsections apply in particular to acts or deliberate omissions as respects—
(a) the flying of a national flag;


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[Guest]

...and before you ask

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315.—(1) Except for sections 18 and 193(5), this Act extends to England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

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[pandos]

Your post is offensive.

It is colonial greed of the middle ages that caused the problems originally.

It is the divisive, ignorant, offensive, sectarian and racist that that caused the problems to exist into the 20th and 21st centuries.

 

[steve_cronin]

I must be too dim. I didn't understand a word of that.

Please explain.

Steve Cronin

 

[steve_cronin]

There is some sad felucker

.. in Guiscardo, Kefallinia in an old Westerly ketch currently flying that sad old rag. I outran the panting fat him and his fat wife when I took the mickey last week. (This is one of my favourite sports, incidentally - until they get the f out of our legislative system, that is)

Ho Ho

Steve Cronin

 

[awol]

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I must be too dim. I didn't understand a word of that.
Please explain.
Steve Cronin

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I must be dim also - which message did you not understand?

 

[Cornishman]

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In the case of Cornwall I think natives are now outnumbered by incomers so they have no chance of getting their way.

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At least we attract the wealthy. New houses at Rock for sale in excess of £4m each! Each house has its own cinema and cellar as well as a waterproof 42" plasma TV in the bathroom.

 

[Birdseye]

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It is colonial greed of the middle ages that caused the problems originally. It is the divisive, ignorant, offensive, sectarian and racist that that caused the problems to exist into the 20th and 21st centuries.

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I'd describe it as (white European) tribalism. Loads of examples of it in this thread. Ironic when we regard ourselves as so much more civilised than the people of Darfur. Best thing to do is to ignore it altogether

Who cares what piece of cloth you stick on the back of your boat or indeed whether you bother at all. You might have to do so to avoid some over zealous foreign official but thats the only reason I can think of. And its one good thing to be said about the UK - no official bothers hereabouts.