Is this a legal ensign for a British registered ship?

[Guest]

I live in another country ... and still proud of being English. It's not first country that I have spent reasonable time in ... in fact most of my life has been outside UK. One thing that surprises me is "others" saying to me ---- must be good to be British ... travel anywhere ... british, etc. etc. .....

Whatever we say - Britain is generally held in good regard - few exceptions of course most because of dear TB ... but still.

It's funny how many times out here that people remark - "can't believe that would happen in England .... " etc. when things come on TV news etc.

I like to fly my St. George and Union Flag - not as a Jingoistic Colonial twit ... (there's enough of those still in Bahrain as example !) ... but because it's my Home Flags.

In UK you are lucky that patriotism isn't rammed down your throats ... Out here in Baltics .... each house / building has a national flag and holder fitted to the front wall. There are specific dates that the Flag must be flown .... commemorate the few memorbale dates in history and of course they dwell on Stalin's deportations to Siberia ... flags fly on those dates with black streamer attached ... Fines if you don't fly on those dates.

 

[JasB]

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There are specific dates that the Flag must be flown

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Ironic...in England we get fined for flying the national flag

 

[mel80]

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If and when you gain your independence we will take them back , along with all other BRITISH Government departments such as the Army, Navy and Air Force

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It is the UK government; i.e. the United kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If Scotland became independent then the UK would no longer exist. Wales England and Northern Ireland would have no more right to UK assets than Scotland.

 

[Marmalade]

Re: ...and before you ask

This seems to allow the flying of a red ensign. Might the Scots not argue that this is a red ensign? Is red ensign defined anywhere?

 

[catmandoo]

Re: There is some sad felucker

I bet you had some whisky in you when you posted that . Ho Ho Ho

 

[Slow_boat]

Re: There is some sad felucker

Of course the St Andrews cross on a red ensign isn't a national ensign, as Scotland is not a country in its own right (yet)

I really can't understand why anyone would rather be a small fish (rather than a larger fish) in a big pond. Something to do with EEC handouts, maybe?

Sorry, I just get annoyed when people start this 'nationalist' talk, I don't understand why people would want to emphasise differences rather than similarities. Perhaps it's like teenagers who just want to be 'different' so take on a minority 'victimised' role.

If Scotland (or Wales, or Cornwall for that matter) were to gain independence, would the English make the same mistake Britain did when kicked out of the colonies, and leave everything they had taken and contributed (from buildings to railways to ports to farms to plantations etc) including the 'right' to a British passport for those who had said they wanted the British out?

 

[Athene V30]

Re: There is some sad felucker

If Scotland and Wales get independence can the British use the word English again without being seen as nationalistic?

Oh - forgot about N Ireland! Perhaps they want independence too

 

[Slow_boat]

Re: There is some sad felucker

How come you can have a Scottish Nationalist party and a Welsh Nationalist party but not a British Nationalist party?

 

[Slow_boat]

To answer the original question, the clue is in the question.
A British registered vessel has to fly the British national ensign.

Obvious, really.

 

[akirk]

Re: There is some sad felucker

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How come you can have a Scottish Nationalist party and a Welsh Nationalist party but not a British Nationalist party?

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not really - it would have to be an English Nationalist Party...
the xxx Nationalist Party is about removing that country from the UK / GB, teh BNP is about excluding the rest of the world from GB / UK...

Now if you did have an English nationalist Party and England removed itself from GB / UK etc. and kept parliament & all the rest - what would the remaining countries be called, and where would they be governed?!?

 

[Cornishman]

Don't quite follow your logic there. If Scotland leaves the Union it will still exist, minus one member, and items such as the defence units will remain part of it with sworn allegiance to HM The Queen, her heirs and successors (that's what I swore to, anyway). They cannot stay in an independent Scotland which will be a foreign country, so they must withdraw to England, Wales and N Ireland.
Of course all this is speculation as 2/3rds of Scots, the sensible ones, don't want independence anyway.

 

[Slow_boat]

Maybe it's just the punchy little ones that want to kill everyone after a sniff of the barmaids apron that want independence.

'Stand me up and I'll kill 'im'

 

[Guest]

Re: There is some sad felucker

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How come you can have a Scottish Nationalist party and a Welsh Nationalist party but not a British Nationalist party?

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BNP does exist - my Brothers a member !!

 

[Slow_boat]

Re: There is some sad felucker

I know it exists, but it's always open season on the BNP but not the SNP or the Welsh nationalists. Just seems a bit strange that those who want to break away are respected more than those who, from the name at least, want to unite.

 

[BrendanS]

Re: There is some sad felucker

BNP has different connotations to the others?

 

[catmandoo]

Re: There is some sad felucker

I hesitate to get involved in this type of banter however Britain took more from the colonies than they put in . India's enormous wealth could not have been exploited without roads , railways etc .

Scotland could go it alone on the same basis as Norway and still maintain a reasonable standard of living however the problems of division would be enormous and costly for both countries .

Any way who are the Scots ? They are not the same people who were joined in union 300 years ago
There are more of them outside Scotland than in it particularly in America , Canada and Australia and there has been substantial immigration from the Indian subcontinent as well as from Europe .

How many English have Scottish Grand parents ?

If it does split I wont live to see it and it wont be the same Britain ethnically that I knew as a boy during the war and after .

So who cares . That world was in another era and is gone for ever

 

[catmandoo]

Re: There is some sad felucker

If Scotland and Wales got independance there would not be any British

 

[catmandoo]

If I recall before the union Scotland shared the same Royalty with England , Wales and Ireland

 

[jprstoney]

Re: There is some sad felucker

Cat, Did you know (I didn't until a while ago) that the Brits didn't invade India but our influence grew in the continent due to the East India Company.

Having lived in India for a while, many wish that they we're still governed by the UK.

 

[catmandoo]

Re: There is some sad felucker

Yes I had to read Macaulays book on the impeachment of Warren Hastings in my youth