Is technology letting us down

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: Pah: customer let down engineers not v-v

aaah but my smwbo has been to sailbad's school of wife correction

she regards blue velour cushions that bavjenben has the hieight of luxury and taste and sunbathing on bare gelcoat is the lastest in holiday relaxation. anyway give me enough notice and i'll be there to make rude comments about smelly diesels and how nicer it it would be to cook at 40 degrees heel. and how do you get the sand out of shagpile carpet eh? eh? and oh its got 2 fridges ooh beer thats nice and cold
stop it stop it stopit


i still maintain my point tho.
look at price for a 35 ft motorboat and 35ft yacht
i am amazed someone has not tried to up the luxury and spec of a saily boat
i know the cost would be lots but there may still be a market


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[Twister_Ken]

Getting heavy

Luxury costs weight and money.

If your luxury mobo weighs more than your plebby one, you just stable more horses in the cellar.

If you luxury yot weighs more than your stripped out one, it goes slower and is more tippy. So you need to put more lead in the keel which makes it heavier still, and more sail on the mast (which means more lead in the keel, etc) to get the speed back. More sail area means bigger winches and thicker string which makes the boat heavier, which means it goes slower. So your deluxe yot ends up about 3x the price of a bog standard slummy one. And HMY Bogstandard sails rings around HMY Shagpile. Big risk for the builders to take.

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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: Getting heavy

be nice to see someone try tho

might try meself
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[Sybarite]

Continuing my rant about Amel Super Maramu's : Amel won't have hydraulics on board because they need specialized engineers for repairs and this won't be available in some faraway places. On the other hand electric motors are universal and simple.

John

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[tcm]

Re: sandy shagpile carpet

well first, the carpet is a bit sandy coloured. Second you wash your feet (no shoes allowed) at the transom door. Thirdly, the carpet is removable with stictcingh arodn the edgeso yo can clean it outside. Finally you use a hoover to suck up the sand. Weird eh? I am beginning to think you are right. It is always fab having yotties aboard. "Jeez- look - hot water! and look- cushions! and holy hell, what's this?" It's an ice cube for your drink.

I would say that the market would be in comfifyiing (?) an ordinary 35 foot yacht. It would need obvious things like carpet, better soundproofing, perhaps air conditioning and genrator, gold lettering, washing machine and all the rest of the steve 101 stuff. The real sailors would all hate it and their wives would think it utterly fab amnd would somehow conjur up the extra loot which they often do when decide that they want something.

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[jimi]

Re: sandy shagpile carpet

What you really want is a Claymore .. not only does it have a patio and conservatory but it also has a carpet, not a shag one ... apparently Claysie has a fornicatorium for that sort of business. But the carpet is of robust material sourced by the former owner, a washing machine salesman, from an old folks home where apparently they have considerable experience of spilt bodily fluids and solids thus undoubtedly suitable for a marine environment.. hope this helps.

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[tcm]

Re: wally/distancia

I believe sailbad has already considered these but he refuses to chop in the lear jet and release the measly £1.5m for the Distancia or the erm possibly £4m for titekan (stupid name but otheriwise fab) Wally.

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[NigeCh]

It\'s already there

There must already be hundreds of thousands of boats out there which meet your conditions.

Let's take just one - say a Halberg Rassy 53

You can sail that anywhere in the world single handed - just as you can do the same with a Beneteau 473.

Push button boats have been around for a long time - I've sailed them for quite a number of years around the Med and the Atlantic. My boat isn't a push button boat and it's really nice to get back from being paid to sail OPB's to go proper sailing on my little original CO26.

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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: sandy shagpile carpet

i am expected to wash my own feet??
normally i have swmbo who washes them in assess milk
or is that milks them with her
anyway
i have to say i do think there is amarket in the specced up yacht.
and it isa okay will cost lots and weigh abit more
lets face it some of these are really only for a short sail about sitting on and relaxing

ken was harping on about weight
well the mast would weigh a bit . lose that and we could just put a better engine in.... sh*t thats a mototrboat innit?




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[Ohdrat]

Re: Wouldn\'t a fully electric boat be NUC? NM

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[Twister_Ken]

Downside of technology

Was interested in the autumn to listen to Don Street (doyen of Caribbean sailing) say that as soon as most boats arrive in the islands the first thing they do is go ashore and try and track down engineers for electronics, refrigeration, watermakers, etc. Of course being the carib, these guys are a bit few and far between, so a) don't come cheap, and b) don't come quick. Add in the fact that local stocks of spares are between thin and non-existent so new bits have to be airfreighted across; that local airlines are not the most efficient freight handlers; and that local customs are not exactly highly motivated either. Thus the newly arrived, dying to commence their caribbean idyll, spend the first six weeks tied up to some stinking dock, waiting for luxury kit to be fixed.

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[tcm]

Re: specc\'d up boat

ok but this is not quite wot you said earlier with wanting it to all spaceshipified.

So, on the benjenbav 44 foot Ghia XL we will have heating, airco, genny, washing machine, decent fridge small freezer and sepret icemaker, flatscreen tv/dvd shorepower and fully-electric no-gas galley, water tank and watermaker, one big rear cabin with carpet in, one big fwd cabin with carpet in, and the woodwork can be lot shinier i think.

Outside it's lectric winches, apilot, inmast furling, furling genoa, blue hull, radar, with repeaters below, decent music, table that drops to seat height to give massive lounging/sunbathing area in cockpit with towelly cushions stored in a dedicated tray under seats, which also lifts for storing other clobber.



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[Aja]

Re: specc\'d up boat

Put me down for one. Any idea of a price yet. Will the price include VAT?

Donald

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[tcm]

Re: The Deal

It will cost umm £198 grand. Or maybe £219k including lots of lovely backup and fenders and crockery and lifejackets. Anything under £240k is v good compared with a cold cottage sort-of in the cotswolds or nearish.

No i'm afraid the price will not include VAT. But there will be the normal optional confusing rent-back pay-all-you-earn charter sort of arrangement where you get to keep a thoroughly shagged out five-year-old boat after only paying 60% to a charter company who essentially get to keep the boat for free cos they would have got 40% off for buying fifty of the things anyway.







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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: specc\'d up boat

not spaceshipified
okay maybe a few toys in like a panel at the helm that not only allows you to steer but furl the sails and drop the anchor too
i know motorbaoters have one already its called a bridge


ooh howabout a a remote walkaround control too
that would scare them
you stand on the deck berating the boat nearby. withnoone at the helmut you manage to trim the sail and catch them up without ever leaving the foredeck or stopping shouting

so there's another one sold to jimi now.
we could even put in a hidden holding tank





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[tcm]

Re: mobo\'s

I have a remote anchor winch button but don't like using it cos i always need to check that the anchor is sinking. Also, do not refer to the dashboard on a mobo as "the Bridge" as you will seem a bit of a nerk.

As regards the remote controlly thing i think you will normaly find that the boat will go faster without going near the string, and then it will go faster and faster arrgh and even more so provided that you DON'T try and furl up the sails or drop anchors in order to catch up with anyone, ahem.


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[jimi]

Re: mobo\'s

You surely would'nt be referring to Sailbad's eminently admirable conservative approach to reefing would you. We were just trying to give him an early view of what married life with young babies is like ... loads a washing, everything everwhere, moanie wife, loads a noise and cr@p everywhere

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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: mobo\'s

oh i thought dashboard would come across as nerky
you mobos and your etiquette its all so confusing

rules like thats not beige its champagne mushroom



far easier being a raggy
stop washing
lose all interest in comfort
shout alot
you're there

agree about the string


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[tcm]

Re: mobo etiquette

Champagne mushroom only applies during the first year or of refit, like with cars which are ARCTIC silver when new, then just "silver".

Other mobo etiquette is to call the berths "beds" and the stern of the boat "the back" and this all needs to be learnt otheriwse you will simply not be understood.



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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: mobo\'s

and a maniac shouting 'can i get the engine on so we can surf?'

hahahahaha
i smile every time i remember tcm's manic grin at the wheel

i smile NOW ofcourse
at the time i thought; if we round up with all this washing out we'll wipe out

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