inventory!!

[Poignard]

A misunderstanding has occurred, and were I the person selling this boat I would, in the circumstances described, have no hesitation in either handing over the satnav or refunding its value to the buyer.

I imagine any reasonable person would do the same.

 

[NealB]

A misunderstanding has occurred, and were I the person selling this boat I would, in the circumstances, have no hesitation in either handing over the satnav or refunding its value to the buyer.

I imagine any reasonable person would do the same.

Or, if it's a simple, accidental, human, oversight by the broker, maybe the broker might apologise for the confusion, and offer to reduce his commission.

 

[Blueboatman]

Wherever the ‘ fault’ lies, this is where a really good broker earns their keep. In good communication they can finalise the deal. Otherwise it’s gonna fall apart to everyone’s detriment .

 

[Poignard]

Or, if it's a simple, accidental, human, oversight by the broker, maybe the broker might apologise for the confusion, and offer to reduce his commission.

 

[NealB]

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Yes, I do like understated irony.

 

[steveeasy]

Hi.
I’ve a lot of respect for Traona. But think he’s on something.

It’s sorted like I said it would be. Broker called. Apologised for it being confusing. Pic should not have been there. Offered to speak with seller to include it. I stopped him in his tracks as of course I don’t want something someone does not wish to part with. Not the sellers fault.
That’s it. It’s called recognition. It was misleading and unintentional..

Said it would be simple and I was not trying to chance my luck. Now I better get cracking I’ve a new boat to get in the water.
Lucky me???
Steveeasy

 

[steveeasy]

"not significant in any way" - good description of a "mountain out of a molehill". We only have your side which is full of "feeling", interpretation", and the facts as you state them plus your acceptance that the inclusion of the photo was a mistake or clerical error on the part of the broker suggests you knew all along that it was not included, but hoped that it was.

BTW if this did ever come to court as some seem to suggest, pretty sure the court would tell you to go away and sort it out yourselves. Read the guidelines for the small claims track and you will see one of the things they look for is evidence that the 2 parties have taken steps to resolve the differences between them. Things like documented evidence of discussions and compromise, willingness to go to arbitration and so on.

I suggest you go back to your original question. You describe an issue with one small item worth a couple of hundred £s in a multi thousand £ deal . The broker says you signed for a written list but you want the photo to be evidence if its inclusion. I am with the broker - if it was included it would be on the list with its photo just like everything else. Nip it in the bud as they say - better to know about it now than find out when you complete and find it no longer on the chart table.

Ok yes yes and yes. Don’t think we disagree other than you think I’m a chancer which I’m not. But I respect your view well just.

Best wishes.
Steveeasy

 

[Stingo]

Since the chart plotter was not included, this thread may be of interest to you
My COVID-19 Lockdown Project: 10” Android Car Stereo to Navionics Chart Plotter

 

[NealB]

I've dealt with this person before, and found him very straightfoward, open and helpful.

I don't know this particular product, but it might be worthy of consideration:

8 " SAMSUNG WATERPROOF,RUGGED TABLET CHARTPLOTTER,2022 UK CHARTS,INT GPS,IP67 | eBay

 

[steveeasy]

I've dealt with this person before, and found him very straightfoward, open and helpful.

I don't know this particular product, but it might be worthy of consideration:

8 " SAMSUNG WATERPROOF,RUGGED TABLET CHARTPLOTTER,2022 UK CHARTS,INT GPS,IP67 | eBay

Thanks

 

[billskip]

Totally agree, life is way to short and Traona is correct in that its a very small matter. I do believe it was inaccurate and misleading though.
steveeasy

It may be a very small matter, very small acorns grow into very big oak trees....
You will be keeping this boat a while I suspect and you will notice other small matters, so
Ensure you can be happy with whatever decision you make.

 

[doug748]

In my experience the inventory is rarely correct because most boats come with an absolute pile of useless shite often including old sails and instruments.......

:- )

I hope you are not referring to the 8 "well used but serviceable, some needing minor repair" sails in my loft.

On the OP's dilemma I have no view, except my Aunt Gladys (a formidable woman) would have made sure she got everything on the boat at the point of formal offer. I understand that not everyone has Aunt Glad's ability to freeze the blood.

For the future. I think it is always good to put offers in writing then you can insert a few pointed reminders like:

" I am assuming that every sailing and inventory item I viewed on the boat is included in the sale plus the items outlined by the owner and in his care. If this is not the case, do me know with the owner's response" etc.

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[steveeasy]

That sounds very wise and woul

:- )

I hope you are not referring to the 8 "well used but serviceable, some needing minor repair" sails in my loft.

On the OP's dilemma I have no view, except my Aunt Gladys (a formidable woman) would have made sure she got everything on the boat at the point of formal offer. I understand that not everyone has Aunt Glad's ability to freeze the blood.

For the future. I think it is always good to put offers in writing then you can insert a few pointed reminders like:

" I am assuming that every sailing and inventory item I viewed on the boat is included in the sale plus the items outlined by the owner and in his care. If this is not the case, do me know with the owner's response" etc.

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Now that sounds a very wise move indeed. That would prompt the seller or broker to put in excluded items in the specific section excluded from sale. very good idea. I dont have a delemma now it has been cleared up.

Steveeasy

 

[Poignard]

What I'd like to know is how to pronounce "inventory" ?

 

[steveeasy]

Well I emailed the broker saturday saying id like to pay but when the excluded items and personal items have been collected to avoid any confussion. no response. I emailed yesterday stating the same no response. Ive 7 days to pay from accepting the vessle. Ive acted swiftly in paying deposit and signing contract. ive forgotten about item shown on inventory but dealt with that (left it out of included items) so I am waiting. ill message again today.

Steveeasy

 

[Mister E]

I've dealt with this person before, and found him very straightfoward, open and helpful.

I don't know this particular product, but it might be worthy of consideration:

8 " SAMSUNG WATERPROOF,RUGGED TABLET CHARTPLOTTER,2022 UK CHARTS,INT GPS,IP67 | eBay

I can also recommend londonchartplotters.

 

[NealB]

What I'd like to know is how to pronounce "inventory" ?

Innvuntree.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

I was told its the text that counts not the images. so why have images. its clearly a mistake but not on my behalf. But I signed and paid a deposit on my belief it was. I suspect easily resolved with a bit of give and take. but not when we discussed it today.

Steveeasy

Yes, I would pose the question to the OP; was the word/brandname "GPSMap" expressly used in print? If so it is implied that that the plotter is included. Unfortunately, if it only appeared in a pretty picture, then the broker is correct.
Edit: I've searched "GPSMap" and discovered that it comes in various models in the UK, costs between three and four hundred pounds approximately, and is just a handheld device, so not part of the fixtures and fittings on this vessel. The current value, second-hand would not be particularly high and is probably inconsequential compared to the price paid for the boat.
There is, it appear,s a basic GPS which would give a lat-long for confirming , for instance a DR position on a paper chart, what more does one need?

 

[steveeasy]

As I said the inventory was brief/,weak. The pics do count and specifically anything that was not included should have been listed in the excluded section.
It was not handheld it sits on a bracket like any other chart plotter. It makes no difference wether fitted or not. It is about detail. The inventory has not listed a few things such as anchor and other related items.
Fortunantly the owner has a detailed on. This was resolved on Saturday and I am entirely happy with the outcome. I could have asked for it. I might not have got it. The point I wanted to know what I am paying for.
Spoken to seller his stuff was moved days ago so I’m going to and play boats today. Lucky me?
Steveeasy

 

[steveeasy]

Yes, I would pose the question to the OP; was the word/brandname "GPSMap" expressly used in print? If so it is implied that that the plotter is included. Unfortunately, if it only appeared in a pretty picture, then the broker is correct.
Edit: I've searched "GPSMap" and discovered that it comes in various models in the UK, costs between three and four hundred pounds approximately, and is just a handheld device, so not part of the fixtures and fittings on this vessel. The current value, second-hand would not be particularly high and is probably inconsequential compared to the price paid for the boat.
There is, it appear,s a basic GPS which would give a lat-long for confirming , for instance a DR position on a paper chart, what more does one need?

Lots of new toys?