INEOS AC 2-0

[Laser310]

Not seen video, but one of the reports suggested LR were deemed to be altering course in last gasp effort to try to force a penalty, INEOS given OK by umpires.

Well done Brittania team

The starboard tack boat (LR) is permitted to alter course, even to force a port-starboard issue - in this case by soaking down as deep as they could

The port tack boat (INEOS) is obligated to keep clear

There are some limitations on the right-of-way boat; they can not alter course in a way that makes it impossible for the keep-clear-boat to keep clear.., but the umpires ruled that INEOS did keep clear, so there was no problem with LR's maneuver, other than that it didn't work - they were just a few meters too far back

 

[Ingwe]

There are some limitations on the right-of-way boat; they can not alter course in a way that makes it impossible for the keep-clear-boat to keep clear.., but the umpires ruled that INEOS did keep clear, so there was no problem with LR's maneuver, other than that it didn't work - they were just a few meters too far back

The interesting bit when we see a tighter situation than this is how much time the give way boat is allowed by the umpires to keep clear if the right of way boat makes a sudden course change - bearing in mind they are doing 40 knots you've got to at least give them 3 seconds, but by then they have travelled 60+ metres and there is a pretty good chance that they have made the cross so I think it is going to be pretty hard to pin a port starboard downwind unless the give way boat completely misjudges it.

 

[scruff]

I will readily admit to being wrong. When these boats were announced I thought it was going to be rubbish - no tight maneuvers, little in the way of tactics and boats just doing drag races.

That last race was spectacular. So tight, fiercely fought and went down to the wire with an average speed of 37kts!

 

[dunedin]

Just realised from the reports, we know the guy in the hot seat making the most of the mainsail power, in spite of the Cunningham problem. Bleddyn Mon. Bit of a step up from his Topper he used to sail (or not so much sail, as use as machine to defeat all opposition)!

Great story of somebody who came from a non-sailing / non-affluent family in Anglesey to double national champion in his early teens to one of the three main “afterguard” on an AC boat - Mainsail trimmer, Bleddyn Mon

 

[flaming]

I think it's to show if there is a penalty. It flashes green normally, flashes red if the boat has a penalty, and green again once the penalty is served.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Pretty sure it also does something to show that the boat is approaching the boundary or has gone over the boundary. Exactly what it does in terms of lights I'm not sure, but once it does it the outside boat has the right to tack and the inside boat has to keep clear.

 

[flaming]

You could clearly see LR bear down after they called Stbd on Ineos. They knew they'd lost it anyway and were just rolling the dice.

In real time I thought Jimmy was just trying to fox the umpires. Having watched the replays a few times, I think he probably does have the right to feel a little bit miffed. Wasn't a slam dunk either way I think, but in the end I think the right team won.

 

[vic008]

What an exciting race! Well done lads. Enjoy your lager. Be good to see you guys win the auld mug. About time

 

[flaming]

What an exciting race! Well done lads. Enjoy your lager. Be good to see you guys win the auld mug. About time

Whist I feel that INEOS are now the most likely challengers, I also feel that come March TNZ are simply going to be too strong for them. There's a reason that the cup has only ever been prized away from the holders 5 times.

 

[Laser310]

Whist I feel that INEOS are now the most likely challengers, I also feel that come March TNZ are simply going to be too strong for them. There's a reason that the cup has only ever been prized away from the holders 5 times.

only if TNZ has better boatspeed

if the boatspeeds are close, think Ben and Giles will dominate the racing

 

[Tomahawk]

I am mindful that Patriot was winning hands down until the final mark.....
Why they went for the hard option is beyond me.. but they did have pace..

It’s not over by a long way.

 

[Laser310]

It’s not over by a long way.

I agree- we shouldn't assume that the Prada Cup is a done deal...

The INEOS improvement after the world series was incredible, but maybe every pause in the racing will be a reset.., with a different team leapfrogging ahead.

The boats are so new, that there are still probably huge performance gains to be had.

I do still think that if INEOS go against any of the other teams in equal boats, they likely win

 

[RJJ]

only if TNZ has better boatspeed

if the boatspeeds are close, think Ben and Giles will dominate the racing

I agree with this. That "blooding" from today, and in the first RR,stands them up very well. And the finals to come. Tnz haven't enjoyed any of that.

Either TNZ turn up to win a drag race, or GB win I reckon.

 

[Halo]

50 Knots boat speed = 57.5 m p h and 9 lead chages in 1 race.

Great viewing at

Day 4 PRADA CUP

 

[RJJ]

In real time I thought Jimmy was just trying to fox the umpires. Having watched the replays a few times, I think he probably does have the right to feel a little bit miffed. Wasn't a slam dunk either way I think, but in the end I think the right team won.

I think LR were low and bleeding speed. Thinking of a fast windsurfer or skiff, you can sail incredibly low for a surprising time before you lose your apparent wind. I would say with 15 secs to cross it looked like collision, based on which GB should have gybed - except for the estimation LR would lose speed. 10 secs and down to 5 secs, GB were drawing clear ahead and Spithill knew it.

Can I put it another way? If you were a very powered-up port-gyber and wanted to bleed speed to cross close behind a starboard-gyber, that's exactly how you'd do it.

 

[Tomahawk]

It is still all to play for...
AM have done an incredible job getting back to the water. If they beat LR then Rita they still go through to the big event.

 

[st599]

Judging by the Comms on Luna Rosa, they believed they were due 2 penalties from that manoeuvre. And the audio engineer with the beep box got a workout too.

 

[bedouin]

Judging by the Comms on Luna Rosa, they believed they were due 2 penalties from that manoeuvre. And the audio engineer with the beep box got a workout too.

Having seen the replay from the back of LR there is no doubt INEOS crossed clear ahead - LR only made the tiniest of course changes and they would have been clear anyway.

I can't even begin to think why they thought there were 2 penalties!

 

[st599]

It looked like he bore away hard on the wheel, but the boat didn't. Perhaps he was already being affected by the spill off Rita's sails.

There's a good AC video up this morning about the technology being used and how the RC, umpires and broadcast work. The main umpires aren't in the chase boats, they're in the OB compound watching CGI overviews.

 

[Bobc]

If you look at the footage from the helicopter, you can clearly see LR's wake is an arc where they bore down on Ineos. Ian Murray will have seen this from the GPS track, which is why the penalty was cleared immediately. Jimmy knew that he'd lost as was just having a go to see if he could disrupt things.

 

[bedouin]

If you look at the footage from the helicopter, you can clearly see LR's wake is an arc where they bore down on Ineos. Ian Murray will have seen this from the GPS track, which is why the penalty was cleared immediately. Jimmy knew that he'd lost as was just having a go to see if he could disrupt things.

Wouldn't it be OK for LR to do that if they could actually get close enough? The trouble was they couldn't.