IN in EU or OUT from EU

[Retired in Crete]

No surprise when we send people like Nigel Farage to represent us in the EU.

Farage is now more trusted than Cameron according to the latest poll!

Not surprising really when he is the only one who tells the truth!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...more-trusted-David-Cameron-YouGov-poll-Brexit

John

 

[maxi77]

Farage is now more trusted than Cameron according to the latest poll!

Not surprising really when he is the only one who tells the truth!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...more-trusted-David-Cameron-YouGov-poll-Brexit

John

Farage is like all the others, he tells the English he will cut the money going to Scotland, but he tells us nothing will change. Mind you it is great to make promises you know you will never have to fulfil.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Farage is now more trusted than Cameron according to the latest poll!

Not surprising really when he is the only one who tells the truth!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...more-trusted-David-Cameron-YouGov-poll-Brexit

John

The Daily Express newspaper is the official financial backer of UKIP, so you don't expect them to say otherwise, do you?. It is also read predominately by people of certain age (55 and above) and of certain dogmatic ideology.

We are UK citizens but above all we are responsible World citizens, living in one planet, utilizing finite resources and whether we like it or not, we are part of Europe, biologically and otherwise. We need to help to put Europe right by exerting influence from within. Isolation is only acceptable to the older generation and to the extremist.

Anyway, I still want to know, whether the referendum is going to affect our common interest which is Yachting.

 

[rotrax]

We need to help to put Europe right by exerting influence from within.

since 1973 that has worked really well...........................................

 

[fergie_mac66]

The Daily Express newspaper is the official financial backer of UKIP, so you don't expect them to say otherwise, do you?. It is also read predominately by people of certain age (55 and above) and of certain dogmatic ideology.

We are UK citizens but above all we are responsible World citizens, living in one planet, utilizing finite resources and whether we like it or not, we are part of Europe, biologically and otherwise. We need to help to put Europe right by exerting influence from within. Isolation is only acceptable to the older generation and to the extremist.

Anyway, I still want to know, whether the referendum is going to affect our common interest which is Yachting.

It is not possible to change the system from within the EU none of the members can change it. They can all dismiss it if they agree they never will but all they can do is name new commissioners
However forget the express. Nobody trusts Cameron or Osborne but nobody trusts Corbyn now he changed his life long beliefs a few weeks before he got the nomination to get the power. Clegg or the new bloke whatever his name is.
Who else ken livingstone Boris Gove. There's only farage and his followers trust him. Who do you trust

 

[halcyon]

since 1973 that has worked really well...........................................

Got me thinking since 1973 what we gained from the EU, or what has it given us, that is the normal UK working population ?

Brian

 

[Kelpie]

It is not possible to change the system from within the EU none of the members can change it. They can all dismiss it if they agree they never will but all they can do is name new commissioners
However forget the express. Nobody trusts Cameron or Osborne but nobody trusts Corbyn now he changed his life long beliefs a few weeks before he got the nomination to get the power. Clegg or the new bloke whatever his name is.
Who else ken livingstone Boris Gove. There's only farage and his followers trust him. Who do you trust

I hate to think how incomprehensible this post was before you edited it

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

There's only farage and his followers trust him. Who do you trust

Politicians can say anything they like and anything others want to hear; however, when it comes to delivery, they are depended on others and they can only exercise certain degree of power within democracy. It is dangerous to put trust on single individuals

 

[grumpy_o_g]

Just as a piece of anecdotal evidence: from the perspective of my area of business (finance) it would be fair to say that DC has achieved all that could be expected. In fact it is hard to argue that London would be economically better off out. Naturally that does not answer the sovereignty question though, which at the end of the day is what this is all about.

It's hard to argue anything when no one's actually agreed anything for us to argue about... :ambivalence:

 

[Daydream believer]

One thing in DC's favour is that he has bowed to pressure from within ( country or party , not sure which) & given us the referendum
I wonder if other member states have the same pressures to offer their populations a referendum & what the outcome would be in their countries

 

[nortada]

Anyway, I still want to know, whether the referendum is going to affect our common interest which is Yachting.

Good to get back to the thread.

Answer - don't know.

My guess.

If you remain outside EU states territorial waters no impact (As the EU has yet to become a state it doesn't have territorial waters).

If you visit EU ports you will be treated as other non-EU visitors.

If you want an extended stay you will have to meet the same visa requirements as other non-EU visitors and will no longer enjoy EHIC and other EU related benefits.

So look how non-EU visitors are treated and there is your answer.

 

[halcyon]

This EU thing is all an American plan devised after WW2 to buffer the Russians via the Marshall Plan which would create a free trade zone, see .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan..... scroll down to Negotiations.

Brian

 

[RAI]

Here's a fun web site for those wanting facts for the referendum.
https://fullfact.org/

On the sovereignty issue, this one is interesting
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Here's a fun web site for those wanting facts for the referendum.
https://fullfact.org/

On the sovereignty issue, this one is interesting
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

If the UK wants absolute sovereignty, we should copy the North Korea model; we could even forbid any foreign intrusion, physical and ideological. In reality, dilution of "sovereignty" is a natural progression, indicating trust between people and cultures.

It is true that laws of significance are made in Brussels by all including the UK. The drop in Roaming mobile charges is an indicator and is welcomed by all, including the yachting community. We can now send photos to our friends of our Med experiences much much cheaper and from next year all mobile rates will be the same. Surely this is good for the sailing community and for all those millions of Brits who live and travel to Europe daily.

 

[halcyon]

If the UK wants absolute sovereignty, we should copy the North Korea model; we could even forbid any foreign intrusion, physical and ideological. In reality, dilution of "sovereignty" is a natural progression, indicating trust between people and cultures.

It is true that laws of significance are made in Brussels by all including the UK. The drop in Roaming mobile charges is an indicator and is welcomed by all, including the yachting community. We can now send photos to our friends of our Med experiences much much cheaper and from next year all mobile rates will be the same. Surely this is good for the sailing community and for all those millions of Brits who live and travel to Europe daily.

Is that it, the EU allows us to send cheap photos on our phones ?

Reading a Wiki page the thing I found interesting was the EEC was set up after WW2 by the USA to provide a free trade zone group to block the spread of communism. So we are just pawns in the bigger picture, now we know he was keen to support the EU.

Brian

 

[Daydream believer]

Is that it, the EU allows us to send cheap photos on our phones ?

Cannot send pics with my old nokia any way so no benefit from the EU.

So may as well vote for out

 

[fergie_mac66]

Speech by Daniel Hannan..

 

[halcyon]

Speech by Daniel Hannan..

Like that one.

Brian

 

[Retired in Crete]

In the interests of fairness, you can watch the whole debate here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYTJGBBjkGo

With 3 speakers from each side.

John

 

[halcyon]

In the interests of fairness, you can watch the whole debate here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYTJGBBjkGo

With 3 speakers from each side.

John

Have a watch when i have a min.

What puzzles me is everyone goes on about the £15 billion we pay in, how much we get get back and what we can do with it or what we save leaving.

But no one is worried about the £50 billion EU trade deficit payed for by our world trade surplus. Which in or out will still be there and is getting bigger year on year.

Brian