Immigration question

[jon and michie]

Hi- I am Planning on going to the channel Islands in the Summer obviously it is part of the British isles - So as far as I knowI dont need to do the online forms to immigration / Borderforce.
But if say on the passage a Storm kicked up or any other reason I found myself having to go to mainland France as a safe haven - What would be the course of action to take in legal terms for Uk Border force / Immigration and could I possibly be prosecuted / Fined ?
Jon

 

[Tranona]

Yes you do have to complete the forms - always have done because it is outside the UK customs area. If you go to France you have to comply with the Schengen entry requirements.

 

[Boathook]

I'm getting confused over paperwork for the CI's. Border force don't seem to require you to report in and last year Jersey didn't require me to fill in a form as we were in the "common travel area" as they called. Guernsey still required a form to be filled but you had to go and find it (ashore) first.
I also took the car over last year to Jersey, and all that was required was some form of ID.

 

[Alicatt]

1998 was the last time I was in the CI and had a mountain of paperwork to fill in for my vehicle, I did have a passport for myself and that was checked too.
It was the vehicle that was of more concern to the customs as it had about £150k of camera equipment in it and it all had to be itemised and checked going out from and coming back to Weymouth.

 

[doug748]

Fill in a PCR - Pleasure Craft Report before you set off, this in an online re-hash of the old form 1331, in fact you can still use the postal form but they are not keen. It tells the UK when you hope to leave and get back.

Coming into Guernsey you will be given a form to fill in; Jersey have abandoned this so you can forget about it.
Let the UK know when you do get back, they will probably let you proceed without any further let or hindrance.

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[jon and michie]

Many Thanks for the advice and Help - Much Appreciated

 

[TK Blue MAX]

Make sure you have travel insurance for Guernsey, NHS doesn't cover medical cover over there.

 

[ashtead]

Always found Jersey st Helier most helpful on berthing -never recall completing any forms though . It’s the Seagulls on the holding pontoon outside the hot basin you have to watch out for though.

 

[Boathook]

Make sure you have travel insurance for Guernsey, NHS doesn't cover medical cover over there.

I thought that had been resolved early last year with the ghic ? being accepted.

 

[Allan]

Make sure you have travel insurance for Guernsey, NHS doesn't cover medical cover over there.

Last year I managed to get a bit of a burn while cooking at anchor in France. When we got to Guernsey my partner insisted I went to St Peterport hospital. After seeing a doctor and a nurse I had a load of dressings put on and went back to the desk. Although the sign said £82 per visit, when I said I was from the mainland the receptionist said oh, OK no charge. I didn't even give my name.
Allan

 

[TK Blue MAX]

I thought that had been resolved early last year with the ghic ? being accepted.

Last year I managed to get a bit of a burn while cooking at anchor in France. When we got to Guernsey my partner insisted I went to St Peterport hospital. After seeing a doctor and a nurse I had a load of dressings put on and went back to the desk. Although the sign said £82 per visit, when I said I was from the mainland the receptionist said oh, OK no charge. I didn't even give my name.
Allan

All I can go on is that I ended up in hospital for a week, the bill was thousands, this was 2012 so may have changed, but glad we had insurance , only took out encase we ended up in France

 

[st599]

Hi- I am Planning on going to the channel Islands in the Summer obviously it is part of the British isles -

It isn't. The CIs aren't in the British Isles.

I thought that had been resolved early last year with the ghic ? being accepted.

It's now accepted for.primary care (A&E etc.) and treatment like dialysis. However if you move on to secondary care the agreement is more opaque.

 

[jon and michie]

It isn't. The CIs aren't in the British Isles.

Yes you are correct - they are dependencies belonging to the British Crown - that's were I got muddled up.

 

[Refueler]

isn't it one of those : Do the paperwork just in case ?

If asked for it - you have it ... if not asked for it - then it stays in the drawer.

If you don't have it and asked for it - then ???

 

[Tranona]

isn't it one of those : Do the paperwork just in case ?

If asked for it - you have it ... if not asked for it - then it stays in the drawer.

If you don't have it and asked for it - then ???

No. All boats entering the UK from outside territorial waters are required to report using the form.

 

[Refueler]

No. All boats entering the UK from outside territorial waters are required to report using the form.

I was answering in terms of post #1 .... and my post says basically says - do the paperwork anyway ...

Questions like this always have me wondering why someone would not do the paperwork even if not needed .. if unsure - then do it.

Let me give example that prompts my post :

In my work - my guys go on ships / into terminals and observe / assist / report on cargo operations ... blending, transfer etc. If any error or action that is outside of accepted practice / affects clients interests - a Letter of Protest is issued detailing the matter. dated / signed by as many parties as agree to sign. Many of course - especially the offendee decline to sign - fine - we note that fact on the letter.
The Letters of Protest ... if issued - Client has option to use or not use ... THEIR decision ...
If not issued - means that we have decided for the Client that he no longer has that option ... which is wrong.

Ok - the aboce sounds not relevant - but in fact it shows that having the Letter or Document is the better path to follow. If its needed - its there. If not there but needed - too late - error.

So I repeat - better to do the paperwork ...

 

[Tranona]

I was answering in terms of post #1 .... and my post says basically says - do the paperwork anyway ...

Questions like this always have me wondering why someone would not do the paperwork even if not needed .. if unsure - then do it.

Let me give example that prompts my post :

In my work - my guys go on ships / into terminals and observe / assist / report on cargo operations ... blending, transfer etc. If any error or action that is outside of accepted practice / affects clients interests - a Letter of Protest is issued detailing the matter. dated / signed by as many parties as agree to sign. Many of course - especially the offendee decline to sign - fine - we note that fact on the letter.
The Letters of Protest ... if issued - Client has option to use or not use ... THEIR decision ...
If not issued - means that we have decided for the Client that he no longer has that option ... which is wrong.

Ok - the aboce sounds not relevant - but in fact it shows that having the Letter or Document is the better path to follow. If its needed - its there. If not there but needed - too late - error.

So I repeat - better to do the paperwork ...

You misunderstand. The form is self declaration with instructions on both reporting departure and how to report to gain clearance on return. So not a question of being "asked" Of course you can ignore and run the risk of being caught by Border Force who might do more than just ask.

 

[Refueler]

You misunderstand. The form is self declaration with instructions on both reporting departure and how to report to gain clearance on return. So not a question of being "asked" Of course you can ignore and run the risk of being caught by Border Force who might do more than just ask.

I do not misunderstand ... I am just saying do it anyway .. because OP is basically saying he's unsure whether to do or not do ..

 

[gjgm]

Fill in a PCR - Pleasure Craft Report before you set off, this in an online re-hash of the old form 1331, in fact you can still use the postal form but they are not keen. It tells the UK when you hope to leave and get back.

Coming into Guernsey you will be given a form to fill in; Jersey have abandoned this so you can forget about it.
Let the UK know when you do get back, they will probably let you proceed without any further let or hindrance.

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And when you have completed the form.to get back into the UK, you will of course obediently sit on your boat with your yellow flag and wait a few months for the email saying you may now go ashore
Tho, you may not ever get one,in fact.

OP, if you are going to CIs in a mobo and end up in France, you must be having a very bad day! You will then need to do all the French arrival and departure forms and note that depends on where you arrive- and from where you may depart. To clarify the French form, if you are departing a seconday port :the form gets sent the the regional office and so the form is asking what your last port ( before departing France) is, NOT which port have you just departed from to arrive at this port.

The PCR refers to your direct,last passage only, not where you are finally going to/coming back from.