If I were to change my boat, this would probably be my top choice.

[dunedin]

Allow for more room yes - a plus point
wave slap- not really, I have never noticed that but I certainly did on my 2 clinker built wooden ones
Can see the tell tales -- well sailors like to-- a plus point. far better than being stuck having to look at instruments
Thin teak seats !!! & ikea interiors -- WTF has that got to do with twin wheels, or is it the fact that in reality you cannot afford one, so just pour scorn on those who can?
So may I suggest that you have not actually put up one valid reason against them.

And let’s not forget many of the narrow pinched sterns of boats designed in the 70s were largely a consequence of the IOR racing rule. And the consequent disadvantages of often rolling like a pig downwind, loss of interior and cockpit space, lack of space for gear on the stern, difficult for stern boarding - from swim, dinghy or quay. That’s why boats like the Westerly Fulmar were such a step forward.

 

[dom]

And let’s not forget many of the narrow pinched sterns of boats designed in the 70s were largely a consequence of the IOR racing rule. And the consequent disadvantages of often rolling like a pig downwind, loss of interior and cockpit space, lack of space for gear on the stern, difficult for stern boarding - from swim, dinghy or quay.

Having been asked to helm a big old Swan once, it was really quite sweet upwind. Downwind with a big masthead spinnaker and limited rudder was quite something. The owner, amused at how terrified his dinghy young guns were, decided to explain the concept of a keel to us!

Seriously though, the way modern boats can break free and either surf or plane has got to be a major contribution to safety and enjoyment.

Colvics, IPs, Westerlys, and the iconic A22s are still faster of course, but the gap is narrowing.

 

[Koeketiene]

Very pretty boat ?

Did the Standfast 36 come with different deck options ? I seem to remember them being quasi flush-decked (with a slightly barrel shaped deck to provide the headroom). Yours seems to have a bit of a Swan 38 sort of thing going on, with a slice of cheese shaped coachroof.

Different deck options? Not as far as I am aware.
The deck is quasi flush deck. Must be a trick of the light.

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

They are fitted to wide transom boats to fill in the space - no practical reason other than being trendy as far as I’m concerned. Wide arse boats get 2 cabins jammed in the back so that’s 4 folk who can’t sleep for the wavelets slapping underneath all night long..
“Oh but you can see the genoa tell tails...” while most folk motor to windward... Oh, thats because it’s scary when they heel over with such a long drop down to the thin, glued on teak seats way down to leeward.
They look awful to my eye.
Twin wheel far arse boats mean ‘ modern’ so flimsy sharp edged square IKEA interiors which I find cheap looking. The company accountants love them though.

Is that enough to be going on with?

Your judgement is based on the fact that you have stated that "They look awful to my eye" and nothing more than that. It is inevitable that Technology advancements bring changes to all dimensions including appearance and many people have romantically nostalgic fixed ideas about what looks good in their eyes which prevails over everything else. The fact is that yacht design has become very efficient in every way.

 

[wully1]

So may I suggest that you have not actually put up one valid reason against them.

You can but I already have - the most valid reason of all for not buying a fat arsed, twin wheeled, flimsy feeling, IKEA interiored flat forefooted boat.

I think they are shit. I couldn’t care less what you or anyone else thinks of them and I hope you enjoy your boat.

 

[Koeketiene]

Your judgement is based on the fact that you have stated that "They look awful to my eye" and nothing more than that. It is inevitable that Technology advancements bring changes to all dimension including appearance and many people have romantically nostalgic fixed ideas about what looks good in their eyes which prevails over everything else. The fact is that yacht design has become very efficient in every way.

Guilty as charged - and I make no apologies about it.
Neither do I judge people who do not share this romantic and nostalgic view.
If you like, prefer a modern boat with twin wheels and wide transom... good for you. Whatever float your boat.
However, I would not want one.
De gustibus non est disputandum

 

[Daydream believer]

Having been asked to helm a big old Swan once, it was really quite sweet upwind. Downwind with a big masthead spinnaker and limited rudder was quite something. The owner, amused at how terrified his dinghy young guns were, decided to explain the concept of a keel to us!

Seriously though, the way modern boats can break free and either surf or plane has got to be a major contribution to safety and enjoyment.

Colvics, IPs, Westerlys, and the iconic A22s are still faster of course, but the gap is narrowing.

I recall seeing a review in Y Monthly of an owners older Swan. The reporter pointed to the quarter wave & said that it showed the lovely design of the hull. Pure rubbish because dragging a huge quarter wave just slows the boat. Several pinched end designs did just that. I have not noticed any of the wider sterned boats having that problem, which suggests to me that designers have developed much more efficient hull shapes with the wider sterns. They certainly sail down wind much better.
It is interesting to note that on a one off designed by Stephen Jones a few years back; to look like a traditional boat; the designer hid a very flat run aft to help her run down wind better. The owner says he can helm with one finger on the wheel. A couple more have been commissioned with similar hull shapes.

 

[Frogmogman]

Having been asked to helm a big old Swan once, it was really quite sweet upwind. Downwind with a big masthead spinnaker and limited rudder was quite something.

The Swan 43, in the right conditions is like a magic carpet. As you say, very sweet upwind, but downwind in a blow, she can be very rolly, particularly with the big (150m2) kite up, it can be positively hair raising.

We stroppy members of the Amalgamated Union of foredeck crews and associated trades up at the pointy end have been known to challenge requests from the back to put the kite up in hairy conditions with the response that we'll think about it when they have proved they can steer the boat in a straight line.

 

[dom]

And for those who truly had balls of steel, the functionally useless but fantastically photogenic.....

 

[Daydream believer]

That is not pointless at all. It is there to challenge the foredeck crew & for all to have a great laugh whilst the owner lives in fear of his bank manager. We loved it on the odd time when we had a leg where we could hoist the blooper in as much wind as possible, whilst rolling from side to side through 100 degrees like a metronome
the challenge being to dip the boom then the spinnaker pole as often as possible

 

[dunedin]

And for those who truly had balls of steel, the functionally useless but fantastically photogenic.....

Lovely nostalgic photos.

And a small Pogo would probably overtake it downwind, smooth as you like under autopilot. As probably would the boat in the OP for this thread.

(My son delivered a French race boat across Biscay, two up, alongside a sistership. Asymmetric up in the harbour and planed all the way across from Brittany to the Gironde entrance. Dawdle he said.)

 

[Tranona]

You can but I already have - the most valid reason of all for not buying a fat arsed, train wheeled, flimsy feeling, IKEA interiored
flat forefooted boat.

I think they are shit. I couldn’t care less what you or anyone else thinks of them and I hope you enjoy your boat.

Good to see the standard of debate has gone up since I was last here in 2018. Some contributors are making cogent contributions supported by good examples and personal experience. The use of proper words rather than made up ones certainly helps understand the points being made.

 

[chrishscorp]

You can but I already have - the most valid reason of all for not buying a fat arsed, train wheeled, flimsy feeling, IKEA interiored
flat forefooted boat.

I think they are shit. I couldn’t care less what you or anyone else thinks of them and I hope you enjoy your boat.

So we can put you down as an undecided ?

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

You can but I already have - the most valid reason of all for not buying a fat arsed, train wheeled, flimsy feeling, IKEA interiored
flat forefooted boat.

I think they are shit. I couldn’t care less what you or anyone else thinks of them and I hope you enjoy your boat.

...having a bad day today?....don't worry we all have days like that. I think you need one of these fat arsed, flat faced, twin wheeled yachts, to take out in the sea for a spin, It may make you change your mind.

 

[Frogmogman]

And for those who truly had balls of steel, the functionally useless but fantastically photogenic.....



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That looks like Bravura ?

 

[dom]

That looks like Bravura ?

It is!

 

[wully1]

...having a bad day today?....don't worry we all have days like that. I think you need one of these fat arsed, flat faced, twin wheeled yachts, to take out in the sea for a spin, It may make you change your mind.

Nah, a bit chilly but an OK day.

Boats... not that I’m in the market and most probably never will be again but there is nothing new that would tempt me currently with the possible exception of a Faurby 360 or 370 . Or from a bit more to the east , a Regina..
Mah wee boatie will do just fine.

 

[Concerto]

And let’s not forget many of the narrow pinched sterns of boats designed in the 70s were largely a consequence of the IOR racing rule. And the consequent disadvantages of often rolling like a pig downwind, loss of interior and cockpit space, lack of space for gear on the stern, difficult for stern boarding - from swim, dinghy or quay. That’s why boats like the Westerly Fulmar were such a step forward.

Sorry I have to say you are wrong. The pinched sterns were a result of the old RORC Rule running in the 1960's. The IOR rule of the 1970's gradually made boats beamier with wider transoms. It allowed more stability due to the increased beam and the inclanation test. The tweaking of the inclanation test allowed the ballast ratio to slowly drop from about 45% to 50% down to about 35% to 40%. I remember racing many late RORC designs and most were definitely rolly downwind. Compare the shape of the SS34 designed in 1968 to the RORC rule to the late 1970's designed Sigma 33, Hustler 32 and Westerly Fulmar. These late 1970's have more beam relating to length and wider transoms.


SS34 1968



Sigma 33 1978


Hustler 32 1978


Westerly Fulmar 1980

 

[Graham376]

..also it's not a westerly. Have you considered an Oceanlord? ;-)

I'd rather have an Oceanlord

 

[Resolution]

That is not pointless at all. It is there to challenge the foredeck crew & for all to have a great laugh whilst the owner lives in fear of his bank manager. We loved it on the odd time when we had a leg where we could hoist the blooper in as much wind as possible, whilst rolling from side to side through 100 degrees like a metronome
the challenge being to dip the boom then the spinnaker pole as often as possible

I think you missed out the ultimate challenge of a full-blooded gybe, blooper and all!