Daydream believer
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I certainly would not want an old moody. Overpriced, under performing " I can keep up with the jones" boat
If I were to change my boat, this would probably be my top choice.
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geem
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Nice to see these rational discussions keeping to the facts and not letting emotions get in the way?
Daydream believer
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I remember one day with an owner, when we had a crowd of wannabees who decided that they did not need me on the foredeck. The owner told me to leave them to it so I sat next to him & his wife at the wheel. A gust hit as they were doing a spinnaker change & it ended up with 2 spinnakers & the blooper up at the same time & they got into a tangle. I said to the owner, (a builder) , " John you have enough sail up there to fully carpet 4 council houses". He replied "There is enough f....g .money up there to BUY 4 f..g council houses. Go & get it down before they bring the whole b..y rig down"
dom
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They all think they can! It’s called confirmation bias.
An interesting and powerful psychological phenomenon.
SimonKNZ
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I saw the 13.5m version of this in Whangarei harbour a couple of days ago. Initially quite liked it, but on closer inspection I think I’d find the limited (read “zero”) forward visibility from the cockpit quite claustrophobic. It certainly seemed a fast sailing boat, disappearing quite quickly in front of us when we departed south the next morning.
Fimacca
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Not a fan. I am not keen on a plumb bow and flat arse.
Is there a slipstream/scientific reason for this fashion .... or just something to sell boats to the masses.....
surely you just get a wetter deck from waves.
I like 1995- 10 shaped boats. Each to their own......
Is there a slipstream/scientific reason for this fashion .... or just something to sell boats to the masses.....
surely you just get a wetter deck from waves.
I like 1995- 10 shaped boats. Each to their own......
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Yes, yes and no worse than other boats.
The designs generate higher speeds for less effort than more traditional hull shapes, less healing, less drag, especially in lighter winds where speeds can be high for the relative apparent wind strength. It allows greater acccomodation volume than traditional hull shapes of same LOA, which means that designers can offer greater utility e.g. more head height, more cabins, larger saloons and galley areas, greater area in the cockpit. A lot of people find this increased utility desirable as it enhances their enjoyment of the experience, which is why the design has been adopted on many models to various degrees.
Koeketiene
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True.
This might also explain wht when I took my 1977 boat out sailing a couple of weeks back (apparent wind around 25kts), mine was the only boat out there.
Tomahawk
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All I can observe is these hated fat arse designs seem to have taken a lead from the IMOCA stable. One needs ask, if traditional designs are so great, why are they not winning races like the Vendee? Perhaps because it’s the old sdesigns that are shit?
Though it still suffers from the slight problem of only having one hull.
Daydream believer
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Nothing to with lockdown perhaps? Or do they not have that in your part of the world
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I am not sure how modern boat design decides when you take your boat out? No doubt if we looked hard enough we could find modern yachts out this winter as well. Are you suggesting that you are a serious sailor and modern design yacht owners are not serious sailors, by the fact that you take your boat out in windy winter conditions. Most leisure sailors sail in the warmer months and do other activities for leisure in the winter months, a long established trend with absolutely nothing to do with boat design.
Koeketiene
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No. We don't have that in my part of the world (yet).
Koeketiene
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No need to get so defensive.
No sailing skills comment was intended at all. Most of the time I'm still making it up as I go along anyway.
And I am aware that there are people who choose to lay up for Winter.
However, in Winter, on the rare occasions when I do see more modern boats out, I do notice that they do need to reef (a lot) sooner than I do and that I am (a lot) faster in those conditions.
In Summer and in light winds, modern boats quite often overtake me as in anything much below 8kts apparent wind I'm just drifting with sails up - unless I hoist the kite.
In my part of the world, strong winds are far more prevalent than light winds.
dom
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That's not good, sounds like your rig is too small. It would be well worth talking to a sailmaker as there often ways to solve this problem and significantly increase power.
Unless it's a motor sailor?
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Koeketiene
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The rig is not optimal.
Boat designed in the early 1970's with IOR in mind.
So, smaller mast - these boats 'needed' a large genoa (150%) to move at speed in light winds.
I'm sure an even even larger one came with the boat. Bent it on once, and I had to lead the sheet back to the spinnacker blocks.
As I sail singlehanded most of the time, such a large genoa is really not all that pratical when tacking.
So, I use a 110% genoa. It makes tacking easy and keeps the boat well balanced in a stiff breeze.
It's a compromise - one I am happy to live with.
Koeketiene
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No, just taking part in the discussion. Your mistaken again.
wully1
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You are answering a question that I didn’t ask....
I don’t race , never intend to, it bores me at the speed 99% of boats achieve.
As for 2 hulls I can see the attraction of all that accommodation and mostly flat sailing and the Catana that is moored here is almost visually acceptable - to my eye most of the rest are awful looking things from most angles.
