How many hours per year do you do?

[Happy1]

I agree on the average hours, that's what I was looking at.

Economy, I agree with that, I have a new big diesel Merc and that is amazing.

The one thing about diesel's is the stink and fumes, they send up clouds of smoke in our marina when they start up, when I have had mine running, some people don't believe it is, it is so quiet.

Safety, well it's a bit like the 'don't use your mobile at a petrol station, I guess the worry is that as you know two or three blow up every day /forums/images/icons/wink.gif I don't think a hole in a boat is going to question what engine you have, although smokers may prefer a diesel to petrol /forums/images/icons/wink.gif I am so concerned when I go out in my petrol we all wear flame retardent suits and special hoods /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

Availability I agree with, but that is just at the moment, when diesel is 90p a ltr, Petrol will be more popular so more will appear and diesel will be scarce /forums/images/icons/wink.gif Oh and the price of diesel boats will plummet and Petrol's increase IMHO (what will happen to your £10k then, down the swanny I think /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

As for resale value, that is only supply and demand. There seem to be some great deals on Petrol due to the diesel mind set, perhaps there is an opportunity to go against the tide and keep the £10k or so saving on a Petrol tucked away for fuel.

Still I am looking for a diesel next, as I may get 3 yrs use before the tax savings go and my £10k goes down the swanny.

Cheers,



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[Happy1]

I think you are lucky with your location, or should I say made a smart house buy /forums/images/icons/wink.gif It is like annex to the house. The answer does seem to be two boats, a small zippy craft and a larger one for the comforts. So the question is if you don't want to keep two, which do you go for to keep and which to charter? You seem to have got the middle of the road and got both. I don't really want to keep two moorings going as that would be a bit daft, if I kept a big one at a mooring and the other on a trailer, that would still be more aggro. I like to 'arrive and drive' at the marina, not mess about with the launching nonsense three evenings a week, then washing everything down! The answer is looking more likely to keep what I have as an 'everyday boat' and charter once a month or whatever in the summer on the South Coast or abroad, I don't know what a weekend charter would cost. Just need to get my exams done to allow me to charter.

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[mainshiptom]

I think the answe is in what you really enjoy !

When I started boating to be on any boat and go anywhere was a novelty ! But now we do have kids and commitments and we find that when we go some where that we like, we like to have the comfort therefore the speed is not an issue for me anymore !

I could nearly be a raggie.... or maybe not but 10 knots is fine by me with the economy that comes with it and a neerly guranteed eta !

Tom

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[Guest]

Re: Not strictly true, Pete

Even with petrol and diesel costing the same, diesel is cheaper to run. Our 23 foot/2 ton boat had a 5.7 V8 petrol, and burned 12-18gph. Present boat is twin diesel, 29 foot/5 ton and burns 8-12gph, so diesel will always be cheaper to run.

As a result, I think that the differential between petrol and diesel boat prices will reduce when red diesel is taken away, but it will never disappear.

As for charter, I challenge you to find a 28 footer on the south coast for charter. I'd also challenge you to find a 40 footer when you want one, unless you book it three months ahead.

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[DepSol]

How about this then?

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Now where is that Brendan hiding?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Well why have you bought a diesel Merc then? The price of road diesel is MORE than petrol and yet you've still went for the diesel car. I guess you want the better economy, range and resale. Its the same with boats. Modern diesels do not smoke like the older ones so that is'nt an issue. Diesel boats will always command a premium over petrol ones even if the fuel costs the same
Flame retardant suits????? Please post a photo!

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[Happy1]

Mike, I was only joking about the suits /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif Re the diesel engines, I think the smokey smelly ones I have encountered have been the older ones. The KAD32 seems to be a fantastic engine, but on a 28ft boat will limit me to say 35mph. But then again when you go bigger you have more stuff to get thrown about, so perhaps a little less speed is the way to go. I am just thinking that if I stay moored at Chatham, and I want a long weekend on the South Coast, I need something that will get me there at a reasonable pace. I am still looking at diesel, but the prce of the petrol's at the moment is interesting, I don't think I would buy a large petrol engined boat new! unless I was prepared to take the big depreciation hit. As for the diesel car, the economy is staggering, it is a bit noisy when cold but soon warms up, but the performance is outstanding. We use that car which is the estate version as the family workhorse doing 50k miles a year and change it every 14 mths or so.

I was looking at the boats in the US, if I wanted a large petrol it would be much cheaper getting one imported.

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[kingfisher]

Since april

So far 14 days spent on board

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[Moose]

Do you run your engines flat out all the time?

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[Happy1]

We have a 6 knot speed limit in the Medway, which suits my wife as she prefers that pace, last Saturday for example we were out for 4 hrs and never went above 6 knots, very nice. However I do like a turn of speed now and again, so will head out to sea and have a blast around, at the end of the speed restriction there is still a good mile or so to the open sea, it is protected a bit from the winds so is a good place to water ski and donut. What is nice is the fact that the speed is there if you need it, same as a car capable of 158mph, I don't go at that speed but you are not straining the engine at 70 mph /forums/images/icons/wink.gif I will need to ensure any boat I get is not getting constantly thrashed to give me the speed I want, hence choosing the engine carefuly, will a KAD 32 do the job? I do think that the bigger the boat, the slower you will go, as you are moving from sports to 'Saga' mode /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif If I go bigger I know I will have to accept slower speed, or massive petrol fuel bills.

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[duncan]

or you can get the same boat in Poole with a single diesel for around the same money - 2000 year - 32 knots max
Available now in immaculate condition.......

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[Happy1]

Where's that Duncan, what engine and what make?

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[kimhollamby]

Careful! nm

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[kimhollamby]

Dom,

When Happy1 was released back into this forum I asked everyone to stay off his case, in much the same way that he has been told to keep it cool.

Posts like this don't help...

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[kimhollamby]

Not the important point

You'll find a whole range of answers here.

River users, for example, may well clock substantially extra hours than coastal counterparts but has the use pattern been kind to engines?

I would take a much more active interest in a high-houred (ie according to brokers anything more than 50-100 hours average per year) boat that had been used under load regularly than the 'immaculate', one driver, 50 hours in only six years 'bargain' that could have a bunch of ruined oil seals and corroded internals waiting to cause problems.

That said it can take a lot of boating to clock 100 hours in a season if your marina berth is accessible to the sea and cross-Channel or anchorage and back flits are typical fare. That is unless you run a slower boat or have a lot of reasons to be 'out there.' As an indication I typically averaged 400 hours per year on my displacement Pedros. On Missing Link, the Sealine F36 which I took around Britain on a 4100 mile trip covering five months of the 18 we had her, the engines had close on 800 hours at the end, but the boat was rarely still and stayed in commission over the winter.

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[Happy1]

Re: Not the important point

I spent some tome on the River Avon, that put quite a few hours on the hour meter even though I was was toodling along at 4 knts, I also found that the hour meter starts when the ignition is turned on, so you have to be careful as the clock is ticking as they say. I think a well cared for boat would be a good investment, one would also hope the engine got the same treatment.

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[DepSol]

PM on its way to you.

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Now where is that Brendan hiding?

 

[kimhollamby]

Re: Not the important point

It tends to work that more hours = more care; not an ultimately safe rule but a handy one.

Picking up on a point you made in another thread but also related to this one, when I was doing 400 hours per year the 100 hour service intervals (100 hour oil change, 200 hour major) were a major source of frustration but in talking with engineers and agents and manufacturers it is always obvious that these service intervals are geared to typical leisure use (ie square root of zero hours).

Potentially far more damaging to leave old oil in the sump all over winter than to overshoot oil change by a few hours mid-season. Or at least that was what I argued when I did it.

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[Russell]

Whats the attraction with the south coast ? We used 2 get 2 Calais in 2¼ hours from Gillingham, much more fun.

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[Happy1]

Apology accepted nm.

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