help wanted. Take two!

[Guest]

Hello again,
Having recently asked the forum with some help with market research for a new imported boat, I got caught out by the response and went off half cocked. SORRY!

Now with more information, [ahem..and pictures] I would be grateful if you would comment on the craft and the specification below. Along with your comments, I would also like to know if the boat represents good value? What are the competitors in this size? As an import, how important to you is a dealership network? How does it look? Anything else you can add would be appreciated.

The craft is a six berth GRB sports cruiser with two inboard engines and a fly bridge. It is well fitted out and has a dinerette area that also converts to a sleeping area, in addition to the two main cabins.

Length 33.6 ft.
Beam 11.5 ft
Draft 3 ft

Displacement 6.5 t
Fuel 198 gall.
Water 79 gall.

Cabins 2
Heads 1
Sleeping 6

VHF radio
Stereo
Depth sounder
Depth sounder on fly.

Two inboard Volvo Penta engines 5.7 SI Petrol [upgrades available to Cummins 5.9 engines]
Gear box ZF 630 IV

There is a list of various upgrades, equipment and add ons that come at additional cost.

New Price for the above £98,800 [UK pounds] I guess you would need to add VAT to that price and delivery costs of circa £6000


PS Again, this is not a selling expedition, just canvassing your opinion.
Thanks again
Brian Short

 

[tcm]

Re: pontificating

1. Is it sensible to even offer petrol on that big a boat, with lack of available petrol?

2. If the boat is cheap enough and reliable enough, local dealer backup may not be needed: main dealer can phone local guys to help. Plenty (me anyway) just want something sorted inside warranty, a response as to when it will be fixed, don't care if he's direct from the dealer.

3. is there a possibility of an "all-in" package with cd player, gps plotter, even lifejackets and cutlery and plates and towels and everything? not too expensive to do this, looks far better on paper and the deal would then be different and attractive i think? Punter aren't stupid and if yous all-in was even a bit more expensive than others, yours seems a better prospect, more thought-through and customer carey?

 

[hlb]

From what I can see. A fine boat. Course need to know about the build layup before passing jugement. Agree with. The tax colector man. This is not a starter boat so all customers will be aware of the problems with petrol. IMHO it should not be offered as only gives a bad impresion. The Cummins option. Now that is another thing. Lots are P***ed off with V*l*o. So thats a big plus. Come back with Cummins as standard and with options on Plotters GPS, Heating. Shore Power, Holding tanks, Auto pilot. Etc etc. Its not really a boat fit for sea till it's got all these.

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Haydn

 

[jfm]

Re: market research

TWAC:
It looks the part. Agree, needs diesels. No serious UK market for this if petrol. Also needs stick on teak deck on Swim platform and cockpit. This is not a prob - plenty of boats imported into UK have this stuck on by dealer. £2grand's worth.

The possibility of an all inclusive (cutlery, lifejackets etc) seems a good selling idea, as it allows customers to include these in the financed amount, I spect, if they want to.

Also dont you have to sort out the CE mark if it's non European? Dunno about this, I think ChrisP knows about it

But jolly nice. Reminds me styling wise of Jeanneau.

 

[trev]

Pick up any copy of MBM or MBY and you'll see the competition.
What you need to offer is simply a better deal - with diesels as standard and a good nav package. Also its the thoughtfulness which goes into a boat which helps it to sell - safe flybridge access - storage space - a guest cabin which is actually usable and not a cupboard - ease of basic maintenance - general build quality.etc.
As previously stated, this is not a 'starter boat' so potential buyers will have a good idea of what they want.
Really need to view a full spec to make an informed review - for which I charge a very moderate fee !! (free sample to test at my convenience perhaps??).

Trev

 

[NorthernWave]

Agree strongly. Forget the petrol engines and stick with the cummins. Who in their right mind would buy a boat that size running petrols?

The layout looks different but good especially if your sleeping six in a boat this size.

Generally looks nice with clean uncluttered lines.

Chris

Buy my Fletcher please!!!!!

 

[byron]

I whole heartedly agree with others, ditch the option of petrol engines. Cummings sound good to me. The boat IMHO looks good but I suspect it is really a 28 footer in accomodation terms, that is discounting the bathing platform. What is the waterline length? Is this a Yankee jobee? If so I'm surprised it isn't offered with a whole host more goodies/essentials. Will it comply with the much disliked BSS?

http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk

 

[Divemaster1]

Looks good and have clean lines

£98,000 + VAT + Delivery = £121,150

Plus diesels and extras, presume approx £150 - 180K....

To compare from a high production cost country, you'd get one of these for that, incl the extras, but excl. Radar & Plotter:

http://www.tresfjord.com/eindex.htm



AHM

 

[byron]

As with any Scandanavian boat you will always be talking quality with a capital 'Q' . However I note that craft is single screw albeit a whopping 400+ hp engine. What would it cost with say a couple of 280s or even 300s ?

http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk

 

[KevL]

Agree with others that Petrol is a no no. Also customers for a new boat of this size are going to want some reassurance about resale values of this unknown manufactures products so perhaps a guaranteed trade in value deal would be comforting.

One final point, loose the picture with the bimi up, it makes the boat look too small/stubby, doesn't cover the driver, shouts out that I it wants to be american, doesn't flow with the lines of the boat and is useless in the UK anyway.

All IMHO

KevL

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[Guest]

Thanks for the posts so far. I don't know where the boat originates but in my briefing notes the price was in US dollars, so could be. I am only collecting information for the company considering importation. I see diesel is the preferred option for the UK and your other comments are gratefully accepted.

Byron, sorry as I am not a broom or raggie, can you tell me what BSS stands for and the CE mark?

Thansk
Brian

 

[Divemaster1]

I all fairness, this should probably be a seperate thread, but this all depends what you want:

Sterndrive, V-Drive, or Straight Shaft Drive ?

I'll ask and respond as and when I have the answers.......

AHM

 

[Guest]

Inboard engines on ?? shafts prefered. I notice the magazine reports often quote hull thinkness etc, and twoud be nice to know the deadrise statistics of the hull., which gives an insight into how it is likely to behave at sea.

In England we have become used to named hull designers like Olesenskiiii, John Bennet, Andrew Wolf..... etc.

(thats a point for the forum anyone know who designs Sealine hulls)



"The Med has got me" (no not the Medway the other Med)

 

[byron]

BSS = Bloody Safety Certificate thing-a-me
Someone else better answer about the CE mark.

http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk

 

[Divemaster1]

Looks like she's carrying a Finnish flag on the stern and styling does remind me of the Finnish produced Bella's or the larger Marino's....

AHM

 

[byron]

Yup! It does look like a Finnish Flag. In which case one would want to pay the VAT here at 17½% because VAT in Finland is 22%.
Finn's make quality boats, at least all the Finnish Raggies I have been seen have been lovely.

http://www.alexander-advertising.co.uk

 

[wakeup]

Sealine designed by postman pat.

I just can't be arsed...

 

[wakeup]

Looks very much like a squashed Fairline Phantom 38 but still looks quite good.

Doesn't appeat to be much room in the saloon although that's what you'd expect for a boat that size but for a little bit more money you get a lot more room in something like a S33

I just can't be arsed...

 

[jfm]

Sealine designer

Sealines are designed by Antoni Gaudi with some influence from Salvador Dali. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

 

[wakeup]

Re: Sealine designer

That woud be during Gaudi's white grp period no?

I just can't be arsed...