snooks
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I don't think the wheel is spot welded, I think it's just clamped in position with the face plate of the wheel. It might be tack welded in position, I don't know.
Helicopter Rescue off Dover
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I don't think the wheel is spot welded, I think it's just clamped in position with the face plate of the wheel. It might be tack welded in position, I don't know.
awol
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And here is the wheel in question - cut from the MAIB report
Blueboatman
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Well it is a Bendytoe innit.
That crew who refused to take the helm, good call, eh?
That crew who refused to take the helm, good call, eh?
Boomshanka
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There's a bit of the lifeboat VHF traffic here of the HL rescue... I didn't have the time (or will) to sit through it all - it's in realtime. First mention is around 5:26... then some more from 10:00 onwards:
xyachtdave
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That looks like a 1500 mm Lewmar mini maxi, wheel same as my X 362. We had a spoke pop out of the hub in stiff conditions and when we had it repaired the engineer was shocked by how far the spokes went in, around 3 mm.
It seems the angle of entry of the spokes into the hole, which is not drilled to accept the angle the spokes enter it, stops for example 25 mm going into the hub.
Hope that makes sense!
rotrax
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I think you are right snooks- my wheel looks the same. The spokes are held into the boss and not welded. I could see distortion problems were the spokes welded. They are clamped.
ribrunt
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http://www.rnli.org.uk/who_we_are/press_centre/news_releases/news_release_detail?articleid=759991
Nuff said.
Well done that man/crews.
Nuff said.
Well done that man/crews.
sailorman
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Agreed
Elemental
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Absolutely agreed.
In that article I read this
I wasn't aware of that. I've often seen LR's strapped to the stern and wondered about their security.
Tidewaiter2
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Absolutely, very good job well done.
Siver Medal Citation quoted weather conditions and yacht crew status for the service seem to differ somewhat from HL and Skipper viewpoints as reported?
Those RNLI crew members I have met tend not to 'puff up' the conditions of a service, in fact, the opposite almost.
Oh, and re life raft- the vessel was coded, so could have been on a hydrostatic release, and triggered by the continous following seas? Loss of LR news to me too- with majority of crew out of action, getting a very marginal situation then.
Ours has the metal strap, with a Wichard carabiner holding it at sea, but unless flat calm, I also leave horizontal and vertical 10mm lashings on secured with only a reef knot- and a knife nearby!
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Vara
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Interesting to read that time line with the reported wind speeds.
There was some discussion on this thread that the wind at the start of the incident was much lower than that.
All I know is that at about 0700 when I went to check my boat in Dover I decided not to walk down the pontoon as it looked dodgy, so confined my inspection to peering from the marina yard, and that it was very difficult to open the car door against wind.
Any way, well done to the RNLI, IMO any recognition that they got was well deserved.
There was some discussion on this thread that the wind at the start of the incident was much lower than that.
All I know is that at about 0700 when I went to check my boat in Dover I decided not to walk down the pontoon as it looked dodgy, so confined my inspection to peering from the marina yard, and that it was very difficult to open the car door against wind.
Any way, well done to the RNLI, IMO any recognition that they got was well deserved.
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Searush
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The RNLI are very sparing with their awards & Silvers are biggies (Golds are like Hen's teeth).
It does still beg the question why the Skipper set out into that forecast with a relatively novice crew.
It does still beg the question why the Skipper set out into that forecast with a relatively novice crew.
Tidewaiter2
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Dead Right, Searush
A Gold is usually up there with a VC in terms of the life threatening conditions they are earned in.
The awards suggest that the service was sustained in very marginal conditions.
I think 'hubris' is why, from his revealed thinking in pre departure posts.
I would not have taken such a crew outside the Solent with that forecast due, not even a 'hard nut' regular crew come to that.
Too much risk of gear and crew failure, in those conditions, which change the game altogether..
I'd have done just a quick pop to a sheltered all tide port like Pompey, let it go over fast as predicted while the crew got to know each other, then off behind it, with a rested team.
It would then have been more like the product HL had sold to their punters for a start, rather than a Bear Gryhlls look-a-like competition.
A Gold is usually up there with a VC in terms of the life threatening conditions they are earned in.
The awards suggest that the service was sustained in very marginal conditions.
I think 'hubris' is why, from his revealed thinking in pre departure posts.
I would not have taken such a crew outside the Solent with that forecast due, not even a 'hard nut' regular crew come to that.
Too much risk of gear and crew failure, in those conditions, which change the game altogether..
I'd have done just a quick pop to a sheltered all tide port like Pompey, let it go over fast as predicted while the crew got to know each other, then off behind it, with a rested team.
It would then have been more like the product HL had sold to their punters for a start, rather than a Bear Gryhlls look-a-like competition.
Flying Penguin
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Searush
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Thank you mr Penguin, it seems that the RYA have finally answered the question in a sensible manner.
I understand the guy is ex-military, he may need some help to eliminate the need for excitement dominating over safety of the customer. Lets hope he can learn & move on.
ksutton
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As a very experienced professional skipper friend of mine states on his web site... "If its not safe & fun... Don't sail it that way!"
Vara
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Nothing wrong with ex-military, loads of them kicking about the forum and would I suggest be a little upset about being bracketed with this individual.
Declaration of interest; ex military, instructor and caution is my middle name.
Scotty_Tradewind
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QUOTE....
"The RYA/MCA Yachtmaster Qualification Panel decided to withdraw Mr Sturrock's qualification for 12 weeks, when he will have to retake the Yachtmaster exam in order to regain the certificate."
This decision has fallen short of what it should have been imho .
QUOTE....
" 'We had concerns with the decision to depart given the weather forecast, specifically passage planning, the interpretation of the weather forecast and the decision-making that goes along with that.' "
It is part of the Day Skipper theory exam to have a basic understanding of this and Mr Shurrock has surely failed to have such understanding and ability?
"The RYA/MCA Yachtmaster Qualification Panel decided to withdraw Mr Sturrock's qualification for 12 weeks, when he will have to retake the Yachtmaster exam in order to regain the certificate."
This decision has fallen short of what it should have been imho .
QUOTE....
" 'We had concerns with the decision to depart given the weather forecast, specifically passage planning, the interpretation of the weather forecast and the decision-making that goes along with that.' "
It is part of the Day Skipper theory exam to have a basic understanding of this and Mr Shurrock has surely failed to have such understanding and ability?
maxi77
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+1
ex RN submariner and safety is the paramount consideration, after all if you are 8 weeks from a laundry and have water rationing too many brown underpant excursions makes you unpopular. Most of the gungho chaps I know
have never been near the military.
Tidewaiter2
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There are...
.........old sailors and bold sailors, but no old, bold sailors, is how it goes, as I remember?
.........old sailors and bold sailors, but no old, bold sailors, is how it goes, as I remember?