Helicopter Rescue off Dover
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Koeketiene
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ksutton
Member
Have retrieved the journey of Liquid Vortex last night, see link here.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?zoom=9&oldmmsi=235021213&olddate=1/3/2012 2:00:00 AM
Do you think they were not listening to VHF forecasts, maybe trying to prove something or is this a case of totally unnecessary bravado. I hope the crew recover to enjoy another day.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?zoom=9&oldmmsi=235021213&olddate=1/3/2012 2:00:00 AM
Do you think they were not listening to VHF forecasts, maybe trying to prove something or is this a case of totally unnecessary bravado. I hope the crew recover to enjoy another day.
Racecruiser
Member
Must admit I've not been following the forecasts but if the weather was known to be coming (it must surely have been) setting off for that trip was completely crazy and highly irresponsible - perhaps actionable for negligence as it was presumably a commercial enterprise? How much would forumites want to pay for that little trip in mid-winter even with a benign forecast? Me -nothing!
snooks
Active member
No-one NEEDS to be there that badly
+1
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...Sailing to a deadline is a sure-fire way to get yer rse kicked by mother nature
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
The Skipper appears to be "Sailingboy55" on twitter....
You can see his feed here...
http://twitter.com/Sailingboy55
He was aware of a possible force 10 yesterday...
Great F8/9 maybe even F10 Tue!!! At least it's from west so just run under storm jib!!! May even use Trysail!!!!
Posted Jan 2nd...
Then this posted at 1am from his Iphone...
OK going quite well over 6 knots under just head. Sail, no3 Jib!! 20 knots wind but motion not good 3 crew sick!
You can see his feed here...
http://twitter.com/Sailingboy55
He was aware of a possible force 10 yesterday...
Great F8/9 maybe even F10 Tue!!! At least it's from west so just run under storm jib!!! May even use Trysail!!!!
Posted Jan 2nd...
Then this posted at 1am from his Iphone...
OK going quite well over 6 knots under just head. Sail, no3 Jib!! 20 knots wind but motion not good 3 crew sick!
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Damn this social media, can't even have a private shipwreck nowadays!
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
I am waiting for his update!
Still, appears to have been aware that he could expect bad weather since the 29th.... Why didnt they leave early?
Frankly, with a weak crew... and he knew it might be force 10... thats a bit bonkers.
Koeketiene
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Sailing Boy implies a young gun ho chap, he looks middle aged and bald. Should have known better then. I jest of course! Media today makes the barn door so big, that its hard to miss when the mud starts getting flung.
fireball
New member
I am waiting for his update!
Still, appears to have been aware that he could expect bad weather since the 29th.... Why didnt they leave early?
Frankly, with a weak crew... and he knew it might be force 10... thats a bit bonkers.
Quite frankly I wish to see Liquid Sailing charged with the costs for that rescue.
I know we have all done daft things and some of us have been unfortunate enough to require the services of the RNLI and/or Coastguard Helicopter. I'm all for "free" rescue services to save life and limb, but I expect skippers to CONSIDER the implications of their decisions to put to sea ... it's not just their own life at risk - it is that of all those aboard PLUS those who will launch to rescue them when things go wrong.
Nobody normally goes sailing expecting F10 ... Another few hours would've seen the front pass over and they could've carried on their merry way.
IMHO this accident was entirely avoidable - and only occurred due to the skippers decision (under time pressure?) to sail.
aslabend
Well-known member
if it was me.....
I'd have gone into Eastbourne...... probably...... Does anyone know what the entrance to Eastbourne is like in a strong SW? I know it's shallow. Mind you, I'd have gone into Newhaven or Brighton if before it got really bad (both not good in a SW IIRC) . Hell, I'd have anchored in chichester to let the worst of it blow over. At least you could explain to whoever had them under time pressure that you'd tried.
Seems a lesson learned the hard way there.
I'd have gone into Eastbourne...... probably...... Does anyone know what the entrance to Eastbourne is like in a strong SW? I know it's shallow. Mind you, I'd have gone into Newhaven or Brighton if before it got really bad (both not good in a SW IIRC) . Hell, I'd have anchored in chichester to let the worst of it blow over. At least you could explain to whoever had them under time pressure that you'd tried.
Seems a lesson learned the hard way there.
snooks
Active member
Sorry if I saw a F9 forecast, let alone a F10, I wouldn't even "try".
I would give no explanation, because none should be needed.
Getting caught out in a storm which wasn't forecast is one thing. Going out when you know there is a storm coming is something completely different.
If the boat had to be there by a certain time they should have left earlier.
Vara
Active member
The more I look into this the angrier I get. It just beggars belief.
Wind now 19 kn gusting 25, clear blue skies, channel still looks lumpy though. Dover opened about 3 hrs ago.
12 hours skulking in Eastbourne or Boulogne and all would have been well.
Wind now 19 kn gusting 25, clear blue skies, channel still looks lumpy though. Dover opened about 3 hrs ago.
12 hours skulking in Eastbourne or Boulogne and all would have been well.
npf1
Active member
Re the AIS data, if I'm reading the data correctly, it looks like the AIS stopped transmitting at 0352 and re-commenced transmitting at 0913. That seems strange to me, given that it could have been an aid to location in the rescue.
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
I think the sad thing is they odviously had learner crew on board.... and with 3 sick by 1am... they will have been bricking themselves...
Look at that picture they tweeted earlier with the girl in the woolie hat...
Look at that picture they tweeted earlier with the girl in the woolie hat...
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
No power-No AIS...
Heckler
Active member
Bet the tablet didnt last long!
She's a first 40.7 run by Hot Liquid sailing...
According to their tweets they checked the weather on the 1st.... Left late yesterday afternoon...
Here is a pic they tweeted after leaving...
Stu
Downsman
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Bet SailingBoy's got loadsa paper tickets...
