Has anyone bought a dutch steel for sea use and loved it?

[paul salliss]

I would be keen to hear why they loved it and what model it was? Many thanks

 

[Searush]

I would be keen to hear why they loved it and what model it was? Many thanks

Watch & read the Timothy Spall vids & books (All at Sea, etc). The vids in particular show how the damn thing rolls in a seaway - not easy to pick up a mooring from either, but the Spalls seem to enjoy it despite the fear & trepidation shown by Tim before rounding any of the major headlands

 

[LittleShip]

Oohhoo I'll be watching this one..... OcenFroggie give I think has D steel boat and has done many passages. This question is a bit like which anchor is best.

With regards to Searuss post,, Spalls boat is a barge and as far apart from most Dutch steel boats as morris minors are to Aston martins.

Watching

Tom.

 

[TrueBlue]

Watch & read the Timothy Spall vids & books (All at Sea, etc). The vids in particular show how the damn thing rolls in a seaway - not easy to pick up a mooring from either, but the Spalls seem to enjoy it despite the fear & trepidation shown by Tim before rounding any of the major headlands

Sorry but -Mr. Spall's boat was only "in the style of" - built by an inland narrowboat maker and (I suspect) was never intended to go to sea seriously. For example it has no real side decks. Compare that with craft made by Sagar Marine which are much more seaworthy.

True dutch made boats do cross the channel regularly.

 

[PCUK]

De-Groot 12 metre flybridge. Round Britain, across the channel, up the East coast etc. etc. Often out when others stayed in port.

 

[paul salliss]

Hi PCUK that sounds interesting are De Groot still in business if not who should we look at to compare etc

 

[PCUK]

I'm not sure if De-Groot are still going. They built a lot of kits for home and yard completion as well as completing vessels themselves. However, the shallow vee deep keel semi-displacement design is typical of most Dutch designs. In fact I built mine from one of their kits and used her for 26 years until the cost of fuel priced me out of the medium size boat market. The first time we filled her up in 1987 diesel was 13p a GALLON. I've' now traded down to an 8m planing cruiser which should do about a litre a mile at cruising speed rather than a gallon a mile with my De-Groot. For sea keeping a heavy steel boat will plough through most conditions although they do roll more than GRP due to the higher centre of gravity but that is something you soon become used to.
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[CarlottaConklin]

thanks for the information. it is now more helpful one for us to share

 

[rustybarge]

Aquanaut do some very nice seagoing steel boats:http://www.thamesboatsales.co.uk/aquanaut/aquanaut-european-voyager/

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The European Voyager is based on the proven multi-chine hull trawler with seaworthy characteristics with CE Certificate B ( classification A – ocean going is available at extra cost).

 

[BartW]

last year there was a brit with a old Linsen moored for a few months close to us in Toulon,
I don't remember he mentioned anything about the sea keeping (he was travelling the french south coast)
but he was almost crying about the rust inside (boat was +20yo)

I've alway's heard good things about Linsen, the yard is not that far from where I live,
was there ones and spoke with a owner,
that owner considered going on open sea as a "challenge", with such a boat,
I'm not sure if this is something general.

yes I know, not very usefull info,...
but I thought lets post

 

[paul salliss]

Hi BartW

It is a good post. I know Linssen are very much aimed at inland stuff. Can't comment on rust but modern epoxy coatings over last 10 years get very good write ups

 

[david_bagshaw]

Take a look at moonen, hakvoort, Jongen etc, fine steel boats, there is a yard at Zwartsluis that built a yacht similar to our Lowland, which we have used in the Baltic amongst other destinations. Amsterdam to the Bristol channel this year. Epoxy coatings are the answer, We use Awlgrip.

 

[paul salliss]

Hi David

Many thanks for the advice. I was looking more in the 42 to 48 ft space and think those guys only make the big stuff. Any other manufacturers that you would suggest?

 

[rustybarge]

Hi David

Many thanks for the advice. I was looking more in the 42 to 48 ft space and think those guys only make the big stuff. Any other manufacturers that you would suggest?

Enter worm hole......,,,,''''............George Beulher in The US designs some lovely trawler Yachts. but I think a Turkish yard can build for you...http://dieselducks.com/

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[paul salliss]

Now your talking. Love them!

 

[rustybarge]

Now your talking. Love them!

It's even got a sail, actually more like a steady sail. Could help push the boat downwind, saving a bit of cash(maybe!)

 

[paul salliss]

A great get home facility in the unlikely event that the engine fails

 

[rustybarge]

A great get home facility in the unlikely event that the engine fails

I actually bought the outline plans a few years ago, but decided to build a 60' barge instead.

Just as a guide: expect to pay about £1k/ ft for the hull fabrication inc. primer coat. Turkey may cost a lot less.

 

[david_bagshaw]

Take a look at :-


http://www.devalk.nl/

and

http://www.yachts.nl/

http://www.barnautica.nl/motorjachten.php?ac=overview&motor=true

are a good starting place for dutch steel boats

there are some nice small vripack yachts about as well, along with gillissen, not to be confused with Lissen, mind you the grand sturdy is quite good at sea

take a look at the stavoren kotter along withe kempers as well.

Have fun

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

although they do roll more than GRP due to the higher centre of gravity but that is something you soon become used to.

I met a guy in Croatia this year who had just bought a 40ft Linssen for coastal passaging and he was complaining about roll too. Out of interest, why should the CoG of a steel boat be any higher than a grp boat?