Goosewinged

[canaille]

Can anyone give an accurate meaning for the term "Sailing Goosewinged", please?
Many thanks.

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[snowleopard]

running with jib/genoa on opposite side to the main.

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[byron]

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[tome]

It's quite a tricky point of sail for the helmsman. You have to run dead down-wind to keep both the main and the jib/genoa flying. To make life easier, the genoa is often poled out using the spinnaker pole which allows a bit more freedom for the helm as the pole prevents the genoa collapsing or backing.

Most important is to keep the main from backing - if this happens the boat will gybe violently (boom swings across) with possibly dangerous consequences to rig and anyone in the way. This especially true in stronger winds.

I always try to steer clear of anyone goose-winged and am grateful when people do the same for me.

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[vyv_cox]

I'd agree about the bit about trying to hold the genoa out without a pole - so sensitive to helm that it's nearly impossible. But once poled out this is a very stable downwind rig, can be flown between almost a dead run and a broad reach, in any wind strength. It's possible to reef or even completely furl the genoa without removing the pole. When conditions are a little trying for the spinnaker we invariably pole out the genoa, reefed if necessary.

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[jimi]

Agree, in fact I've started rigging a gybe preventer when running for any length of time (releasable from the cockpit) but I was starting to think about a boom lock has anyone any experience of them?

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[billmacfarlane]

I use a very simple preventer system. I shackle a rope to the end of the boom, run it to the bows, pass it through the bow cleat and back along the deck to the stern cleat where I cleat it off.

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[tome]

I do similiar, but rig a block on the foredeck and have a snap-shackle for the boom. Run mine from the center of the boom where the sheet attaches rather than the end.

Most important to be able to release it quickly from the cockpit!

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[billmacfarlane]

PS

Thet term goosewinging is sometimes also called "running wing on wing".

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[jimi]

At the moment I do the same with the rope going forward to a bow cleat and back to the stern cleat but instead of a shackle, tie a very long bowline on the boom end so I can untie it if need be when the boom is out. I had wondered if the boomlock thingie would save all that palaver?

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[tome]

Problem I see with the boomlock is having transverse lines permanently rigged and in the way on deck. I don't have any personal experience but heard one person who fitted and then removed one as it got in the way.

Having said that, there were some glowing testimonials on their web site.

Think I'll continue with my preventer which I only ever rig if on longish passage downwind. A friend rigs up one either side, but I just rig a single and change it over as required.

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[qsiv]

I'd actually say that it was important to be able to release smoothly, rather than quickly - I always put mine on a spare winch, and usually use a watch tackle rather than a single part line to ensure I can let it across in a controlled fashion if the need arose.

I always rig a preventer if we've got much more than 10 knots across the deck, if the wind is appreciably aft of the beam, or if there are significant sees running. I once neglected to do so and the helmsman caught out by a swell running under the stern - the resulting gybe nearly had the mast out. Fortunately we were surfing and the drop in wind speed probably saved us. Once bitten, twice shy. In the same way, if we talk about reefing I do it there and then, and shake it out later if we were being too cautious.

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[tome]

Agree about rigging one whenever your concerned about the helm and seas. Releasing it smoothly implies your releasing under load which I would definitely not recommend. I'd rather luff up a little and get it off quick followed by a controlled gybe.

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[wpsalm]

modern sailors say goosewinged when they actually mean wing and wing.....only old gaffers can sail goose winged .... that is gaff and boom on opposite sides of the boat the mainsail twisted in the middle....so that it actually looks like a goose wing

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[snowleopard]

and before that, square riggers in torm conditions would haul up the bunt (centre) of a square sail leaving the clews set. that was also called goosewinged.

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[Spacewaist]

Watch Tackle?

Wossat then?

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[Guest]

Ditto here, although I have a fairly long keel and find it is an easy point of sail in a wind which is steady in direction. I run the preventer from end of the boom, through a block on my Samson post, and back to a rope clutch. In this way I can let go of the preventer very, very quickly.

If running Wing and Wing, I find I can gain stability by partly reefing the Genoa (as mine is 156%), and in stronger winds even by using the main with one reef.

It is possible to end up rolling somewhat, and I use this as my guide as to when to reef (something I don't tend to do until it's really blowing).

(ps. as a tip for the preventer: don't tie the line AT the boom, bring it way back, almost to deck level. This way you can untie the preventer without leaning out over the rail. I use a bowline for this purpose).

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[DeeGee]

To avoid having to lean out, fix a permanent piece of rope to the boom end, terminated with some strong bungee cord forward on the boom. When no preventer in use, it just sits there doing nothing. When you fix the preventer to it, you are only attaching the preventer line to something about the middle of the boom. I think YM showed this one some time ago. I have to be honest, I haven't used this technique, I attach to first reefing eye rather than boom end, sheeting in somewhat to get to it. Like others, I take it back to a winch and it WILL be loaded, as you are usually letting it off when the boat has gybed !

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[jimi]

That sounds a good idea, I might try that. Another good use for bungee! I've put a a 2 foot length at the end of the boom attached with a rolling hitch to the topping lift. The idea is that it takes up the slack on the topping lift. when sailing. It seems to work reasonably well.

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[canaille]

What is the benefit of that? The phrase I mentioned referred to a schooner, presumably with a gaff rig. Would both main sail be goose winged?

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