Girl, 15, dies in Southampton boat crash

[pvb]

What a disgraceful thread.
A girl has died.
A reputable company and skipper were involved. It must be awful for them too.
We don’t know what happened.
And people bang on about how easy it is to get a PB2. Which probably isn’t even the licence held.
Let’s wait for some facts.

It's a sad situation, certainly. But if a number of posters are casting aspersions on the validity of RYA qualifications, don't you think that's something which ought to be looked into?

 

[prv]

If it was an 'adrenaline' experience, they only need stay in the harbour

I see them most times I go out (and have never had any reason to doubt their professionalism). As a matter of simple fact they go more than three miles from their point of departure.

Pete

 

[capnsensible]

It's a sad situation, certainly. But if a number of posters are casting aspersions on the validity of RYA qualifications, don't you think that's something which ought to be looked into?

What commercially endorsed licence did the skipper of the vessel involved have?

 

[Elessar]

It's a sad situation, certainly. But if a number of posters are casting aspersions on the validity of RYA qualifications, don't you think that's something which ought to be looked into?

Not in the context of this thread, no.
It is pure and simple prejudice.

 

[Elessar]

What commercially endorsed licence did the skipper of the vessel involved have?

Good question for the enquiry to ask.

 

[capnsensible]

Good question for the enquiry to ask.

Absolutely. We all know it will. Plus lots of others. I'm sure that everyone here will have the patience to wait until the facts of the incident are investigated and made public.

Condolences to the family at the heart of this tragedy.

 

[newtothis]

It's a sad situation, certainly. But if a number of posters are casting aspersions on the validity of RYA qualifications, don't you think that's something which ought to be looked into?

FWIW, I was out on the same bit of water the day before, helming an ageing Fulmar. Even at 5 kts it was bloody hard work to steer in short chop and gusting 6. I can see how a moment's distraction at the wrong time could lead to problems at 20 kts. There, but for the grace of god, go all of us.

 

[mikegunn]

i did a pb2 ------i would say you do get a pass for turning up------------one site i looked at advertised 100% pass rate------i also passed my cevni------less said about that the better-----to all those who reccomend licences look at usa where i believe boat licences are compulsory-----------check youtube for american idiot boat "drivers" -----------ps if you have no boating experience then i think pb2 is a useful course but i don t think you can fail

Personally, I see nothing wrong with courses that claim 100% pass rates. In fact that would be the sign of a good course. The purpose of any course is to educate and train its attendees in whatever subject is intended. The exam at the end of the course is to determine whether the course has achieved its objective for each individual involved. A worthwhile course should persist in that training until that goal is achieved. If, on the other hand there was only an exam and no training course there may well be failures, but I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about here.
Mike

 

[Elessar]

FWIW, I was out on the same bit of water the day before, helming an ageing Fulmar. Even at 5 kts it was bloody hard work to steer in short chop and gusting 6. I can see how a moment's distraction at the wrong time could lead to problems at 20 kts. There, but for the grace of god, go all of us.

I was out on my own that day too.
Just remember we don’t know that it was distraction or error that caused the crash.

 

[ridgy]

How much training does a man need to look forwards? Because that was the only skill required to avoid this situation. Apart from the remote chance of a medical or dual mechanical failure that prevented him from both turning the wheel and easing the throttle he was probably looking at his phone.

 

[Elessar]

..... he was probably....,,.

You should delete that disgraceful speculation.

 

[newtothis]

I was out on my own that day too.
Just remember we don’t know that it was distraction or error that caused the crash.

I understand that, which is why I'm not speculating on what caused the casualty. My sympathies are with all involved. My only insight, such as it is, is that the conditions were challenging, and I'd be the first to admit that that is when I'm more likely to cock things up.

 

[Elessar]

How much training does a man need to look forwards? Because that was the only skill required to avoid this situation. Apart from the remote chance of a medical or dual mechanical failure that prevented him from both turning the wheel and easing the throttle
8<

Apart from your disgusting speculation you show real ignorance.
There are many things that could have gone wrong that don’t involve “dual mechanical failure”
Let’s say his kill cord got pulled mid turn. Power loss to both engines so he can neither crash stop nor continue his turn as the boat would straighten up.
Im sure others can think of more. But to do so would be wrong.
Wait for the enquiry.

 

[lenten]

Personally, I see nothing wrong with courses that claim 100% pass rates. In fact that would be the sign of a good course. The purpose of any course is to educate and train its attendees in whatever subject is intended. The exam at the end of the course is to determine whether the course has achieved its objective for each individual involved. A worthwhile course should persist in that training until that goal is achieved. If, on the other hand there was only an exam and no training course there may well be failures, but I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about here.
Mike

there is no exam-----baslcally a classroom lecture and practical instruction on a rib--------------if you attend the course-----you pass

 

[SimonFa]

Firstly, and more importantly, sincere condolences to those involved. There' always seem to be something even more tragic and heartbreaking about these terrible incidents when they involve holidaymakers (my speculation), especially children who are out having a good time.

On the subject the the PB2 course. From the RYA website:

Ability after the course

Self-sufficient powerboater in the right conditions, aware of own limitations and those of craft

The other person on my course didn't achieve that standard and didn't get a certificate that day. To be fair the instructor gave him some free time and he did eventually get his ticket.

Its wrong and immoral to claim 100% pass rate, some people will not have the aptitude, no matter how much time on the water. Its like those people who failing a driving test umpteen times, at some point you have to say, sorry, its not for you for the safety of everyone else.

 

[38mess]

Tragic case all round

 

[ProDave]

there is no exam-----baslcally a classroom lecture and practical instruction on a rib--------------if you attend the course-----you pass

On our course each student did each manoeuvrer until they got it right. some needed longer to perfect it than others but all completed all the required manoeuvrers and passed.

Like others I await to find out how a RIB hit a stationary bouy at speed. If I were the victims family I would rather hear it was a mechanical failure with the boat than an incompetent skipper.

 

[RichardS]

An awful tragedy. I do hope that it was caused by mechanical failure as it must feel even worse if it was human error and therefore so easily avoided.

I don't know anything about the particular RYA course under discussion but there is a distinction between an exam/assessment to obtain a qualification and a training course which might end with an exam or might end with a certificate to confirm attendance.

I did an exam at the end of my RYA classroom course. It was held under exam conditions although it was not particularly difficult to pass. However, difficulty is clearly a subjective assessment as one young woman did not pass so, for her, it was obviously difficult.

Richard

 

[TernVI]

Tragic case all round

Indeed.
But in my view it's only been a matter of time until something like this happened.

I think it would be a good thing if the whole 'high speed RIB ride' industry ceased to exist.
Hopefully this tragic event is the beginning of the end of it.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

An awful tragedy. I do hope that it was caused by mechanical failure as it must feel even worse if it was human error and therefore so easily avoided. ...

Terrible accident indeed.

Just an observation. Human error is not ”so easily avoided”. It is very hard to change human behavior such that they act in a predictable, controlled way. It’s a common theme in investigations where humans are found to be part of the root cause. Mechanical failings are the easy ones to prevent.