Gas rage!

[lustyd]

how many cook a Sunday dinner in the oven on their weekend break.

We do. We use the cooker the same way we do at home, including baking bread, making pittas, roast dinners, whatever we fancy. I’m sure if you limit use electric can work, but a few kWh a day on top of cruising loads will definitely leave a deficit.

 

[dslittle]

So you're advocating we all install two sets of cookers as well as all of the electrical generation paraphernalia? I'd like some room on the boat to store the gin so will just stick to gas. Just because you might be able to make it work, doesn't make it a good idea!

This is our induction hob fitted over our gas hob. As Vic say, no good on passage but used all the time otherwise…

 

[oldgit]

have 2 x empty 4.5l butane in the garage
1 x empty 15k butane
1 x full 907
With the price of gas going up should we be thinking about applying for some sort of storage licence and the investment potential regards a pensions etc.

 

[Goldie]

Had the same problem with Gaz 907. Chandlers couldn’t get it, found it at a camping site eventually. Highest price so far £45.99

I really don’t know why Camping Gaz is so expensive in U.K. I paid €13 for a shiny, new, full 907 a couple of days ago so a couple of pennies over £11 - less than a quarter of the above. That was in Vila Real Santo Antonio, Portugal.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Now I got all my bits I be filling my own bottles from larger cheaper gas .

 

[Pete7]

Is there a reason why the induction hob can't be fitted to a gimballed 'box' with rails to keep kettle and pans in place ? You could then get rid of the gimballed, persumably gas, stove.

Just to add to what Sailaboutvic has said, yes it can be done. However, there is a problem on many European yachts originally built with 450mm wide hobs and ovens. The narrowest double induction hob I can find is the Vango Sizzle at 480mm, which when I measured up was very close and left little room for any gimbals.

Pete

 

[dgadee]

Now I got all my bits I be filling my own bottles from larger cheaper gas .

And scales?

 

[alahol2]

Having given up on getting 4.5kg butane, I have found that the Local CG stockists and local hire shops are willing to exchange for propane which seems to be readily available. I just needed a new pigtail.

 

[sailaboutvic]

And scales?

Yes them too and if anyone interested on weight.
Full bottle is 6.55kg , empty is 3.60 kg bottle.
half full is 5.08 kgif you fill to 6.26 kg that's about 90% and you won't over fill it .

 

[ProDave]

Don't rely on all cylinders having the same empty (tare) weight. On the aluminium disk on the top under the valve there are numbers stamped. Where you see e.g 12/4 stamped in one quadrant, that means the tare weight is 12lb 4oz

 

[Boathook]

Yes them too and if anyone interested on weight.
Full bottle is 6.55kg , empty is 3.60 kg bottle.
half full is 5.08 kgif you fill to 6.26 kg that's about 90% and you won't over fill it .

I've weighed my empty 4.5kg calor bottles and the weight does vary quite a bit according to my 'scales'. Quite often it is difficult to read what is stamped on the bottle and ring round the neck.

 

[sailaboutvic]

Weight given are official weights from camping Gas

 

[Kelpie]

I've seen a few comments about not being able to fit more than a single 100w panel on a mid 30s foot cruising yacht.

Almost every boat will be able to accommodate 2x100w on the guardwires alone.
Add another 50w on the hatch garage (pretty useless spot due to shading, but make it a roaming panel secured by bungees).
Then assuming you have a bimini another 100-200w of semi-flex panels on top of that. They can be stowed under a bunk when not wanted.

Solar is so cheap now that it seems madness not to fit at least that much. Even if you do nothing else, your batteries will thank you for it and between reduced engine running and longer battery life, it will pay for itself sooner or later.

Re: gas, and the whole point of this thread, I'm just very glad I took a punt on the electric option. It wasn't too expensive and I love the feeling of self sufficiency. It works perfectly for us- 39ft boat, family of three, currently in the Med. Change those variables and it may not work for you, of course!

 

[rotrax]

Good post - things are changing fast. We have a choice of gas and electric cooking, but due to no inverter the electric requires the genset or shorepower.

Last evening I cooked fresh caught large Mackerel fillets on our 'Plancha' flat electric grill plate. Outside, in the rear cockpit as First Mate does not like fishy smells inside.

We have a double halogen hob. Fits on the OE board Island Packet supply to increase worktop space over the cooker. First Mate already had expensive pans she loves but they are not suitable for induction cooking.

It is not beyond my capability to fix both the board and hob to the Force 10 cooker top and raise the pan holders so we have it on its gimballs. Might be something to do when I get an inverter fitted.

I could easily double - or more - our Solar potential by keeping the dinghy on the swim platform instead of the roof. The American couple we met in 'Derry had 700W of solar and a large lithium bank. No genset, no gas. All their cooking electric and by inverter.

 

[alahol2]

It doesn't really address the main problems but carrying and using a BBQ helps to make the gas last longer during a cruise. No reason not to boil a kettle on it, after you've finished cooking, for coffee and washing up. Adds a bit of variety too. We've used ours in the rain under an umbrella...

 

[chris-s]

Plenty here …

 

[lustyd]

Plenty here …

Top shelf is empties usually, because they're lighter.

 

[bluerm166]

For interest of anyone going to France,our experience on a camping trip:
Small number of Camping Gaz 907 on the shelves in Manche e.g. Granville (before our first cyclinder expired) a week ago
Leclerc New full bottle 59 euros
Carrefour Market New bottle 50 euros Refill 25 euros
Last week Neufchatel : Leclerc empty shelves 907 etc etc 'not disponsible.'
Saturday Wimille: Carrefour Market - caused a disruption involving the cashier,the security guard ( the most helpful),the manager and the queue ,but succeded eventually after 30 minutes in purchasing the only refill on the shelf at 27 euros.
I last paid £32 for a refill in Dover last winter.Unfortunately I have another empty ,for the boat,which I should have taken with us in the van.

 

[lustyd]

For context though, £32 for the 2.75kg Butane gas is £11.63/kg.

Compare that to FloGas £20.75 for 4.5kg Butane at £4.61/kg.

If your lockers are too small for a 4.5kg then fair enough, but would you pay £4/l for petrol just because it was convenient?

 

[bluerm166]

For context though, £32 for the 2.75kg Butane gas is £11.63/kg.

Compare that to FloGas £20.75 for 4.5kg Butane at £4.61/kg.

If your lockers are too small for a 4.5kg then fair enough, but would you pay £4/l for petrol just because it was convenient?

Useful information but please don't rub it in.Yes the round boat locker is sized for a 907 with about 15 mm all round,and is impeded all round to prevent any simple reworking.
On the other hand I don't boil potatoes and use quick pasta ,which is why I don't suffer particularly from condensation and the now empty cylinder has lasted for more than a season.