Fools

[jon and michie]

So do you wear it when you are walking through the marina, on the pontoons ?

I can see where this is going
But in answer to your question is I did yesterday funnily enough as I was removing my dock fender off the pontoon as I was very close to the edge.
The marina pontoons where I am based are wide. So generally not as the boat was next to the bridge where there is handrails above the 1.1mtr standard height.

 

[Momac]

... whoever thought in a billion years that boatyards would ever dictate that you can't work on your own boat?

If that is a requirement how do they define 'work'?
(No such rule where I keep my boat and where most people do most of their own work)

So do you wear it when you are walking through the marina, on the pontoons ?

I don't.
But then all you are doing is walking and maybe talking which most people do when on a static object next to water without a lifejacket.
Being on a moving boat which might move unpredictably is a different matter.

 

[Bigplumbs]

Maybe idiot is wrong more like foolish , the point I was making was the guy showing what to do , after training , choose yself.

Nah your first answer was idiot now you are spinning those pedals in reverse. Never had issues like this with Brixham Bound....... Mind you Phantomphil was totally different

 

[Scubadoo]

So do you wear it when you are walking through the marina, on the pontoons ?

Its about reducing the Risk.

 

[jon and michie]

Its about reducing the Risk.

Alarp - As Low As Reasonably Practicable

 

[Daydream believer]

So do you wear it when you are walking through the marina, on the pontoons ?

I do when I have to get onto a French finger pontoon. They are designed to trap the unwary. If only to give wet feet. One might feel OK until the crew on the boat behind you decide to get off their boat without warning & one really needs the LJ
But pontoons aside, the most calamities I have seen seem to be crew falling in as the boats berth, topped by a long way by people falling in from dinghies whilst transferring to/from a moored yacht.
I feel that not to wear an LJ when in the tender does qualify for the OP's definition of "idiot". I can count 5 or 6 of our club members who have had a ducking. I saw 3 crew scrabbling to keep afloat with an upturned dinghy drifting down tide waiting for someone to open the safety boat shed & launch a Rib to get them. They went at least half a mile.
In my opinion solid dinghies are asking for trouble.

 

[PaulRainbow]

I can see where this is going

Thought you might

But in answer to your question is I did yesterday funnily enough as I was removing my dock fender off the pontoon as I was very close to the edge.
The marina pontoons where I am based are wide. So generally not as the boat was next to the bridge where there is handrails above the 1.1mtr standard height.

I was obviously being a wee bit facetious. But, somewhere between walking on the pontoon on a sunny afternoon and sailing a small yacht in a F8 there are going to be a million different scenarios, some requiring a LJ, others not, all at our own discretion.

We are fortunate to partake of one of the last pursuits in this country where we are masters of our own destiny (so to speak). We get to make our own choices and carry out our own risk assessments. Judging from the lack of accidents and incidents, we must have it about right, between us.

 

[Seastoke]

Nah your first answer was idiot now you are spinning those pedals in reverse. Never had issues like this with Brixham Bound....... Mind you Phantomphil was totally different

Nah your first answer was idiot now you are spinning those pedals in reverse. Never had issues like this with Brixham Bound....... Mind you Phantomphil was totally different

Plumbs now Phil has arrived in Brixham on his phantom cruised all the way from Stoke , now you got it .

 

[Elessar]

So do you wear it when you are walking through the marina, on the pontoons ?

There is an intelligent question hiding amongst the preaching.

Most people would be safer than they are now if they took their life jackets OFF when they got on their boats.

The most dangerous journey most of us do is from the shore to the boat. Even in a marina.

 

[Greg2]

At work lifejackets are required on pontoons as well as on deck on our boats, but one of our moorings is in a tidal river and if you went in you wouldn’t stay in the same spot for long.

On our own boat we do wear them when working lines and on the deck/flybridge at sea but usually remove them when in the wheelhouse. I don’t wear one on the pontoon but absolutely do for transfer by tender. We tend to adopt a common sense approach but would agree that they are useless unless worn

 

[Portofino]

Awful lot of alleged “ fools “ in the Med .
A beer for anyone spotting a LV .

Did you spot the ring ? Ready to chuck in ….an IT requirement?

Ooh and a double forum whammy …..no guardrails and no stabs ……..for Mrs Porto on the bow

Treble if you inc a LV

 

[Momac]

Must be 8 years ago or so there was a fairly well built guy who went in off our pontoon with no lifejacket.
He was partially sighted , registered blind, and it was after midnight , new years eve. He had sunk a few shandies. He paused to reach out to lean on the boat in the adjacent berth only to realise too late that the boat was not there. So in he went.

Fortunately his cries were heard by a neighbour who got out of bed to help. No way could the victim pull himself out onto the pontoon even with help from the rescuer. Fortunately the rescuer had a portable boarding ladder which happened to be handy.
A life jacket might have helped a bit but without the boarding ladder the victim may not have made it.
To this day there are no escape ladders on the pontoons.

It might be said that in a marina with pontoons an escape ladder is more use than a life jacket.

 

[SC35]

I prefer to wear a LJ underway, because it makes me look more professional than I actually am.
Also if something untoward were to happen, and I need to leave the helm and plod along the decks, I am already prepared.

But I wouldn’t be too hard on someone that chooses not to wear one.
Especially in warmer weather when I’m jumping into the water anyway.
Or on a larger boat: you don’t wear a LJ to dinner on the Queen Mary II.

 

[Seastoke]

Well as a captain you are responsible for your crew , trying to remember but when someone died n a yacht by not clamping themselves on board , the captain got prosecuted.

 

[LBRodders]

Horses for courses.

You can't swim in a LJ. So as the swimmer of the watch onboard our boat (kids) I would rarely wear one.

One was available though at a seconds notice if required.

 

[jon and michie]

Thought you might


I was obviously being a wee bit facetious. But, somewhere between walking on the pontoon on a sunny afternoon and sailing a small yacht in a F8 there are going to be a million different scenarios, some requiring a LJ, others not, all at our own discretion.

Dynamic Risk Assess - every scenario is different and for example you might plan a sail check the weather is good for that day etc to then go out on that planned day and once out the weather takes a turn for the worst so you then re risk assess what to do at that point.

This me at work 100ft+ drop over the sea other days it could be up in the derrick 200ft + over the drill floor each scenario is different

 

[jon and michie]

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[jon and michie]

Horses for courses.

You can't swim in a LJ. So as the swimmer of the watch onboard our boat (kids) I would rarely wear one.

One was available though at a seconds notice if required.

These 2 videos are a classic example for wearing lifejackets on a boat and knowing how to don one - they were lucky that other boats were in the area

 

[Wansworth]

Must be 8 years ago or so there was a fairly well built guy who went in off our pontoon with no lifejacket.
He was partially sighted , registered blind, and it was after midnight , new years eve. He had sunk a few shandies. He paused to reach out to lean on the boat in the adjacent berth only to realise too late that the boat was not there. So in he went.

Fortunately his cries were heard by a neighbour who got out of bed to help. No way could the victim pull himself out onto the pontoon even with help from the rescuer. Fortunately the rescuer had a portable boarding ladder which happened to be handy.
A life jacket might have helped a bit but without the boarding ladder the victim may not have made it.
To this day there are no escape ladders on the pontoons.

It might be said that in a marina with pontoons an escape ladder is more use than a life jacket.

Most traditional harbours had ladders set in the wall how have marinas avoided this question

 

[finestgreen]

Alarp - As Low As Reasonably Practicable

It is worth remembering though that PPE is always the last resort after you've done everything else reasonably practicable and there's still specific intolerable risks.