First Sailboat Purchase Looming - Friendly Advice Appreciated!

Can argue positives and negatives about most bits on a boat. Great care is needed with a power winch as there is no “feel” when pressing a button. Easy to cause damage for the unobservant. I have one on my coachroof and at times it’s most welcome. I’ve sailed with some that I wouldn’t trust with one, sadly.
Simple way of avoiding damaging things with electric winch - only use 2 turns round winch and never use self trailer in electric mode. Countless times this has meant that the rope slipped slightly when something jammed - rather than cause any issue.
But I agree I have seem many many cases of people using the electric winch, especially hoisting sails, three turns and self trailer and breaking bits off the boat or sails.
 
It's doable, sure. I've done it. It's easier in a smaller boat though.
There is plenty of debate about that on here. With suitable gear sometimes a medium sized boat with modern gear is easier to single hand than a small boat - more stable platform, better below decks autopilot, bow thruster and an electric winch. But the costs go way up beyond the OPs case.
 
There is plenty of debate about that on here. With suitable gear sometimes a medium sized boat with modern gear is easier to single hand than a small boat - more stable platform, better below decks autopilot, bow thruster and an electric winch. But the costs go way up beyond the OPs case.
True except for parking I think. 32ish definitely a sweet spot for that.
 
True except for parking I think. 32ish definitely a sweet spot for that.
Depends on your method. Solo I use a rope from centre cleat back to genoa winch - plus bow thruster with remote control.
No stepping onto any pontoons until secure. Sometimes put kettle on before going down onto pontoon.
If leaping ashore and man handling is your preference then clearly smaller is easier - but frankly for hand parking 27 ft is better than 32ft.
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Depends on your method. Solo I use a rope from centre cleat back to genoa winch - plus bow thruster with remote control.
No stepping onto any pontoons until secure. Sometimes put kettle on before going down onto pontoon.
If leaping ashore and man handling is your preference then clearly smaller is easier - but frankly for hand parking 27 ft is better than 32ft.
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What I should have said is that 32 foot is a good compromise between having a bit more space but still being easy-ish to park, assuming it has relatively good handling characteristics. 🙂
 
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Interior seems to have polished up well. BUT, on deck, I think she may be priced low for a reason….That bow damage….Could be fixed….BUT indicative of a hard life (and is there more damage / knocks elsewhere? What hit her / did she hit? That was a BIG impact) Instruments all look original, pre NMEA2000, wonder what the sails are like? And, a short keel is likely to compromise her sail carrying ability….Think the price ‘saving’ could quickly be gobbled up in remedials.

And….although I often think boats seem bigger ashore….usually the first impression proves accurate. Is she too big for you to confidently build your skills / enjoy taking her out - handy though the interior volume might be? If you’re asking yourself, if she’s too much boat, she may well be. ( I know the feeling. I’ve stuck at 31’ for 20 odd years. Over winter I want to go bigger. Come summer (and any time I need to replace gear) I’m glad that I didn’t.

Instead of a ‘cheap’ hard used 37 footer, would a ‘cherished’ 32 footer (under the 10m marina charge threshold), for similar money, give you more sailing / skill building scope? And prove better value?
 
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Interior seems to have polished up well. BUT, on deck, I think she may be priced low for a reason….That bow damage….Could be fixed….BUT indicative of a hard life (and is there more damage / knocks elsewhere? What hit her / did she hit?) Instruments all look original, pre NMEA2000, wonder what the sails are like? And, a short keel is likely to compromise her sail carrying ability….Think the price ‘saving’ could quickly be gobbled up in remedials.

And….although I often think boats seem bigger ashore….usually the first impression proves accurate. Is she too big for you to confidently build your skills / enjoy taking her out - handy though the interior volume might be? If you’re asking yourself, if she’s too much boat, she may well be. ( I know the feeling. I’ve stuck at 31’ for 20 odd years. Over winter I want to go bigger. Come summer (and any time I need to replace gear) I’m glad that I didn’t.

Instead of a ‘cheap’ hard used 37 footer, would a ‘cherished’ 32 footer (under the 10m marina charge threshold), for similar money, give you more sailing / skill building scope? And prove better value?
I think you're spot on.

Incidentally, Mark at Clipper Marine took me to another yard to go gave a look at a Legend 33 that had just come in. Size wise, I think that or 34 (perhaps 32 as well) would be spot on. This morning I also had a look at a couple of 31 ft Beneteau clippers. Felt a tad short.

I've just been looking at a few other boats that wouldn't have been shortlisted previously, but having the perspective from today has been really useful!
 
I think you're spot on.

Incidentally, Mark at Clipper Marine took me to another yard to go gave a look at a Legend 33 that had just come in. Size wise, I think that or 34 (perhaps 32 as well) would be spot on. This morning I also had a look at a couple of 31 ft Beneteau clippers. Felt a tad short.

I've just been looking at a few other boats that wouldn't have been shortlisted previously, but having the perspective from today has been really useful!
Not sure what the 2005 era Dufour 34’s go for…..almost ordered one of those, back in the day….Sharp performers / capable cruisers….
 
Looks tidy.

Why not get a day of tuition for you and your wife on something a similar size? Might cost a few hundred but then you'd know.
Solent Boat Training do a marina skills course on 37 footers, they are booked up for this month but they probably have capacity for a private day.

You might not even like singlehanded sailing, it's not for everyone so I wouldn't get hung up about it.
 
I think you're spot on.

Incidentally, Mark at Clipper Marine took me to another yard to go gave a look at a Legend 33 that had just come in. Size wise, I think that or 34 (perhaps 32 as well) would be spot on. This morning I also had a look at a couple of 31 ft Beneteau clippers. Felt a tad short.

I've just been looking at a few other boats that wouldn't have been shortlisted previously, but having the perspective from today has been really useful!
As noted by others, I think we've seen the reason for the low price - the cracked perspex and bow damage indicate a hard life to me. Will probably find other worn out stuff if you look more.

Size wise, my personal opinion is that as a 1st boat which you're hoping to sailing single handed, it's a bit big. 32-34ft could be a better choice.

Looking at several boats of differing sizes and qualities helps shape your thoughts, as you've pointed out.

Choosing and finding the right boat is a journey in itself!
 
Can’t see much from a 90 second video but, superficially, it looks like a tidy boat.

Many years ago, it was the “norm” to start small and progress bigger. I started with an 18ft trailer sailer, then 30, then 36 and finally 41.

Many things have changed and now it’s not uncommon to start big. With a bit of training, practice and experience it’s easily possible to become a competent close-quarters boat handler.

It’s often said that GRP repairs are stronger than the original. Replacing a bit of perspex is not a good reason to reject a boat.

Have you established the history of the vessel? What’s the engine hours, does it have a maintenace log. What does the leading edge of the keel and the trailing edge/hull joint look like?

I’d be posting on here for Surveyor recommendations.

What ever you decide, enjoy the search!
 
Can’t see much from a 90 second video but, superficially, it looks like a tidy boat.

Many years ago, it was the “norm” to start small and progress bigger. I started with an 18ft trailer sailer, then 30, then 36 and finally 41.

Many things have changed and now it’s not uncommon to start big. With a bit of training, practice and experience it’s easily possible to become a competent close-quarters boat handler.

It’s often said that GRP repairs are stronger than the original. Replacing a bit of perspex is not a good reason to reject a boat.

Have you established the history of the vessel? What’s the engine hours, does it have a maintenace log. What does the leading edge of the keel and the trailing edge/hull joint look like?

I’d be posting on here for Surveyor recommendations.

What ever you decide, enjoy the search!
I can't recall now whether it was this boat where he said the engine hours weren't known. He did say it will definitely need servicing.

There was a mention of the heating on our initial call and that it may need attention, alluding to the prospect of the heater itself needing replacing potentially.

As for the keel, I did get a video of that too which I've just uploaded here.

The repairs highlighted (window and bow), I'd be open to if it felt like the right boat. I'm just not sure that it is...
 
The repairs highlighted (window and bow), I'd be open to if it felt like the right boat. I'm just not sure that it is...
I think your caution is very wise.

One of the main reasons why the norm used to be start small and low cost is that it is incredibly common for your first boat to be a short term love affair.
It takes a while with your own boat to understand how you will use it. How long, how often and how far.
Crucially, a lot depends on how much your family enjoys it. Sailing takes time, to get anywhere and back takes a weekend or week. Some take up racing as that can be done jn a few hours.
Some lucky husbands have wives who love sailing as much as they do. Many don't.
You only find all this out when holed up in a marina, or skme anchorage, in a cold, wet July gale with your missus looking at booking.coms

At the end of your first season the boat might be perfect or you might realise you need bigger,smaller,faster,dryer,slower.
 
…..if it felt like the right boat. I'm just not sure that it is...
Reckon that your instincts are sound…as they have been throughout this thread…..when you find her, she’s going to be a cracker….. Happy Hunting…..You will know her, when you see her!

(Unknown engine hours / service history, on a boat showing visual signs of hard use….hmmm)
 
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Reckon that your instincts are sound…as they have been throughout this thread…..when you find her, she’s going to be a cracker….. Happy Hunting…..You will know her, when you see her!

(Unknown engine hours / service history, on a boat showing visual signs of hard use….hmmm)
Cheers John!
If that's your view now, cross this one off your list. Lingering doubts will never allow you to enjoy ownership. Plenty more fish in the sea.
Couldn't agree more.
I think your caution is very wise.

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At the end of your first season the boat might be perfect or you might realise you need bigger,smaller,faster,dryer,slower.
Really good point. My words yesterday were "I'd like something for now (i.e. my current skill level being low) but where I have some room to grow so that I don't need to upgrade later". It's finding that balance where I think "this is the size I want now and it caters for what I want later". Just so long as later isn't an ocean crossing on a 50ft boat otherwise I'm going about this the wrong way!
You might not even like singlehanded sailing, it's not for everyone so I wouldn't get hung up about it.
Absolutely. I agree I should not base my choice heavily on that! The alternative to that is I don't have any big boat sailing friends (though I'm sure a membership at where it'll be berthed will sort that!)

For now, I'm going to have a cup of tea (so English to our foreign friends, I know!) and go over:
🤞
 
I can't recall now whether it was this boat where he said the engine hours weren't known. He did say it will definitely need servicing.
The repairs highlighted (window and bow), I'd be open to if it felt like the right boat. I'm just not sure that it is...
I don’t understand why the owner isn’t paying to get these issues sorted out, and at the very least sticking the running rigging through the washing machine. Always be wary of anyone selling who says “that will only cost about £800 to fix”. In my experience it translates to “the replacement part will be £800+vat”! Similarly brokers must have unusual relationships because a “couple of thousand” actually means three (+vat!). If a job is easy and relatively cheap to do then it makes no sense not to have done it already whilst it is sitting on the hard.
The alternative to that is I don't have any big boat sailing friends (though I'm sure a membership at where it'll be berthed will sort that!)
You’ll be surprised - all your friends will now be big boat sailing friends! Most of my friends have never sailed at all or perhaps sailed a dinghy on a Neilson holiday but will happily join us and get involved - the trick is not to scare them.
 
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