Kukri
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Reading the report, the periscope that was in use incorporates a rangefinder, but the rangefinder only works effectively when the (electronic) periscope is on “high power”. Which it wasn’t.
Ferry doesn't collide with submarine
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Reading the report, the periscope that was in use incorporates a rangefinder, but the rangefinder only works effectively when the (electronic) periscope is on “high power”. Which it wasn’t.
awol
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Of course, it could be a cunning set-up to fool any aggressors (or Putin) into thinking our submarine service are incompetents, unable to determine the range or speed of potential targets . I certainly will give them and their flotilla of Modplod ribs and guard boats a wider berth in future.
SaltIre
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How many of you have read the MAIB report?
They weren't using the ferry as pre-lunch target practice - obviously. That wouldn't be aloud.
jamie N
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Probably not the Captain, as he's done his perisher which is quite expensive; OOW is possibly expendable, depending on previous 'abilities' shown perhaps.
Is it possible the real beef that 'The Admirals' will have is, "Why didn't we get our report in 1st??".
This has caused unnecessary embarrassment to the service, who are very lucky the only thing was lost was dignity.
Basically "Dunno?"
SaltIre
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It is interesting that members of staff from Flag Officer Sea Training were on board but 'The Admirals' supposedly knew nothing about the incident.
Maybe FOST staff were having pre-lunch drinks.
Maybe FOST staff were having pre-lunch drinks.
SaltIre
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I at your capnsensible.?
at your capnsensible.?
SaltIre
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Well it's pretty obvious it wasn't a bomber...
- they don't depart from Faslane
- they wouldn't have had FOST staff on board
- they wouldn't have been playing at chicken with ferries in the Belfast/Larne-Cairnryan gap...
- they don't depart from Faslane
- they wouldn't have had FOST staff on board
- they wouldn't have been playing at chicken with ferries in the Belfast/Larne-Cairnryan gap...
yotter
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1 and 2 are incorrect.Well it's pretty obvious it wasn't a bomber...
- they don't depart from Faslane
- they wouldn't have had FOST staff on board
- they wouldn't have been playing at chicken with ferries in the Belfast/Larne-Cairnryan gap...
SaltIre
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Really? When did an SSBN ever depart from Faslane?
yotter
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Well, where do you think they depart from?
SaltIre
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Coulport, after the missiles are loaded.
I guess they could have been on a jolly, unarmed, but the MAIB report mentions "patrol".
Edit: Apologies. It was pre-deployment safety training. It could have been an SSBN, due to go to Coulport to be armed before patrol.
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awol
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At the risk of breaching the OSA - last Saturday
SaltIre
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GTom
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No digital cr.pware those times = war was won!
SaltIre
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Painninja
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Red stripe?
john_morris_uk
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It means he’s a Surgeon Lt ie a doctor.
chrisclin
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It was lunch time. Pink gins in the wardroom leaving the junior in charge.
Doesn't this highlight the fact that regular naval officers are not great seamen? Great man managers and warmongers, yes, but there have been too many cases of poor seamanship. I would think that someone with an RYA Yachtmaster has probably had more pilotage and navigation training than most naval officers.
Doesn't this highlight the fact that regular naval officers are not great seamen? Great man managers and warmongers, yes, but there have been too many cases of poor seamanship. I would think that someone with an RYA Yachtmaster has probably had more pilotage and navigation training than most naval officers.
awol
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Possibly, but most naval officers are not navigators.
chrishscorp
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Having read the report it doesnt make for good reading, sounds rather gung ho on the RN side.
Sonar says the vessel is one distance and a guess on the range finder says a greater distance, lets go with the guess followed up by a turn towards the ferry ending with a CPA of 250 yards, the bloke from FOST is stood there and hasnt said anything 'we must be right....' You would struggle to get a Coastal Skipper ticket with that action
An additional factor infuencing the commanding ofcer’s decision not to go deep, was the FOST request for the submarine to commence the afternoon’s training at periscope depth. A perceived pressure to remain shallow was created because it would have wasted training time had the submarine been taken deep only to have to return to periscope depth to start training procedures.
Seriously ? ? A risk of collision exists with a loaded ferry and we best not dive incase it upsets some visiting examining officer I would have thought clonking the sub and risking giving said visiting officer an early bath and sinking a ferry with 280 people on board would be more likely to upset him but what do I know.
Sonar says the vessel is one distance and a guess on the range finder says a greater distance, lets go with the guess followed up by a turn towards the ferry ending with a CPA of 250 yards, the bloke from FOST is stood there and hasnt said anything 'we must be right....' You would struggle to get a Coastal Skipper ticket with that action
An additional factor infuencing the commanding ofcer’s decision not to go deep, was the FOST request for the submarine to commence the afternoon’s training at periscope depth. A perceived pressure to remain shallow was created because it would have wasted training time had the submarine been taken deep only to have to return to periscope depth to start training procedures.
Seriously ? ? A risk of collision exists with a loaded ferry and we best not dive incase it upsets some visiting examining officer I would have thought clonking the sub and risking giving said visiting officer an early bath and sinking a ferry with 280 people on board would be more likely to upset him but what do I know.