Fantasy time

[Twister_Ken]

If you could commission design and build for a one-off boat of your own, what sort of thing would you choose.

For me:

38-40 feet or so
Small pilot house big enough for driver and one passenger, with a folding roof (bit like a Mercedes sports car) opening onto an aft cockpit
Extending roof and side screen to 'caravanise' the cockpit when parked in miserable weather
Big cutter rig with self-tacking staysail
Deep twin keels with unballasted centreboards within to improve upwind performance
Twin rudders, keel hung for protection
Twin but relatively low powered engines (with feathering props). Fuel cell motive power would be nice.
Capable of taking the ground to park in out of way places
Solar panel array built-in.
Rainwater collection system built-in
A small rib which nests on the saloon roof, organised so that it can be craned in and out using the boom.
Trad/retro looks above the waterline.
Dark blue hull, red a/f, white boot topping
Two internal sleeping cabins partially under the pilot house offering comfortable accom for 4 without using the saloon for sleeping.
Lowish freeboard, to make jumping on and off not too traumatic.
Deep bilges for stowage and tankage.
A shower room and a heads in separate spaces.

Must start buying the lottery tickets.


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[tcm]

Mine will be a large ship capable of carrying everyone else's fantasy boat on board.

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[Twister_Ken]

How kind!

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[tcm]

fraid not. My fantasy also includes piching the lot and getting clean away with it!

Oh alright, I'll have a slightly smaller fantasy which will be raggie with a monster woopah powerboat on it somewhere. But the fantasy sailing boat will also be stashed with diamonds so i can buy something else if i get sick of this ragging and go back to the ship idea in fantasy A.

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[qsiv]

.. and you wanted to go for a sail round the bay on the new beast? Shizophrenic barely describes it!

The ever weakening dollar has led me to sign the order for the new boat. Delivery anticipated May 04. Black hull, black (well grey) carbon sails. But a name, a name .... 'Incantation' in honour of the keel (the WHAT! it's a twig with a torpedo on the end), 'Chariot of the sun' (oh gawd, it's the Dead'), or just some boring coprporate branding to claw a pound or two back from the tax man, or an evocative name from an era when boats had attractive names ...

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[RupertW]

Yup - I'd agree with most of that but add in a cockpit big enough for a large drunken party, no heeling, and nice all round view from a huge saloon - all within a boat that a couple can easily handle without electric winches.

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[sailbadthesinner]

Re: confession

have to make a confession
if i won the lotto
(unlikely as i never buy a ticket)
i would buy big stinkie and have a j yacht for racing round the cans

then again if Englander is up for grabs i have to say it seems the best compromise i have ever been on (honest not being creepy to ccscott49)

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[jonjo]

Re: Rustler 36 clone made by Barvaia

They should be able to sell it for £60,000.

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[jamesjermain]

Rupert's got the right idea. The only thing he forgot to say was, it was a cat.

My list:
38 to 40ft cat
Daggerboards for performance and shallow draught
Big cockpit with dining table for eight, barbecue on taff rail
Solar panels and wind generator to back up big diesel generator.
Huge icebox
Owner's suite including heads with separate shower compartment
Bath moulded into the buoyancy compartment in teh bows and strickly for in harbour use.
Water maker
Triple head stays. Huge light wind genoa on outer stay, working jib on inner and storm jib on baby stay. Outer two on rollers, inner permenantly hanked on and stowed in a bag.
Short sprit for loose-luffed down wind sails
Twin steering positions in the quarters.
Galley, saloon and chart table on the bridgedeck.
Every electronic toy possible at the chart table (with spares).
Massive sound system with huge cockpit speakers (disco lights in rigging optional).
Auto mixer for rum punches...
What was the question again


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[jonjo]

Initially I thought a Malo 38 would suit you

http://www.maloyachts.se/classicline/classic_m39_1.jpg

but...

Twin keels on what is otherwise a very appealing yacht spec, no thanks. The windward one will slap passing waves in a chop plus you are building in a structural liability that will cost money 20 years later.

Please add a short bowsprit to accommodate a near permanently rigged furling gennaker to provide some oomph in under 10 knots of wind.


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[Twister_Ken]

Ok

Yup, I'll go with the bowsprit and the Code zero jobbie

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[Twister_Ken]

Keels/Legs

I think the twin keels can be made to work (not talking Westerley Centaur style here but something more radical), but if the tank tests prove otherwise, I'll need some beaching legs that can be hydraulically deployed.

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[jax]

Now there;s a thing! I had thought after reading your previous posts that you already had your ideal boat!

Regards and fair winds Jax

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[david_e]

They have just done it - the new X43 )

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[ccscott49]

Re: confession

Thankyou kind sir! The interior is now mainly finished, new saloon! I`m now planning to extend the main mast by ten feet, putting new roller reefing in and using the old for the staysail, great big downwind rig! Have moved the backstays and mizzen backstays already, things are moving along, may have to bring her back to UK to do the mast etc. I have also fone the wheelhouse, with new panel for istruments etc, you would like what has been done, just as I explained when you were aboard last time.

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[Talbot]

Re: confession

From your small picture, she would certainly look more balanced with a cutter rig and a bowsprit. Do you need the extra mast length for the Med?

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[Sybarite]

If cost really is no problem I would be happy (really Santa) with the any of the following (aluminium boats): (Just copy & paste)

(Canadian) Kanter 54.5 or 53 : Chuck Paine designed aluminium lightweight with the nicest deck saloons ever!
http://www.boatshow.com/Bougainvilliaea53.html
http://www.chuckpaine.com/zkanter54.5.html
http://www.davidshore.com/Maestro/Designs/designs.htm

(Perhaps with an aerorig.)

Cigale 14m J-M Finot design aluminium along Open 60 lines.
http://www.alubat.com/english/boats/cigale14.htm
http://www.guillou.com/alubat.htm


Marguerite 16m Strongall motor sailor : (Michel Joubert's personal boat).
http://www.reducostall.com/HTML/pages/Margrita_jpg.htm


Armelle 17.5 m Strongall / Joubert designed bilge keeler.
http://www.reducostall.com/HTML/pages/Armelle1_jpg.htm
http://www.reducostall.com/HTML/pages/Armelle2_jpg.ht

Where's me lottery ticket?

John


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[Twister_Ken]

No, no

The idea is not to say , "Oh good, lots of money, let's see who builds something I want to buy."

The idea is to say, "Oh good, lots of money, lets get something designed and built that suits me to a T."

Saville Row sailing, if you like.

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[Sybarite]

Re: No, no

I perfectly understood this, Ken. However there is an old dichtung which says you build your first boat for an enemy, your second for a friend and then the third for yourself. Philippe Harlé used to say every time he saw a customer coming in to change things that they could safely anticipate the cost of the boat doubling.

Take Jimmy Cornell for example with his Aventura 2. On paper (for me) it looked the ideal cruising boat but I understand that, in the execution, it turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. This was despite the fact that he incorporated a lot of the ideas from his first boat (Trintella/Victory 36?) as well as the ideas from the Ocean cruising survey he carried out.

For his current boat, Aventura 3, he came back to a stock boat, an OVNI 43 (made incidentally by Alubat who also make the Cigale 14m on my list).

For my ideal boat I want a tried boat, built by a recognized builder, or at least, a recognized architect. As far as the Kanter is concerned it is, IMHO, beautiful, fast (water ballasts, relatively narrow compared with modern boats), comfortable both inside and out, and is designed by Chuck Paine (also the Bowman range).

I might want to adapt the basic design with say an aero rig provided this would be OK'd by the architect. Enjoyable sailing for me would come from the peace of mind associated with systematic elimination of potential trouble areas and the best guarantee of this is an already proven concept.

Therefore, why reinvent the wheel ?

Once you get away from the volume builders there are lots of smaller specialized ones which could provide a truly acceptable boat. The recent discussion on the advantages of deck houses illustrates for me an aspect that the large builders have ignored. I have often written on this forum that I cannot see the interest in getting them frozen off me on a cold and wet night watch when there is a simple alternative.

Incidentally when I see the design of the British Steel boats which race backwards round the world I simply cannot understand how they overlook the advantage of keeping their crews relatively dry and warm whilst beating against the weather. They don't appear even to have cockpit canopies let alone a solid doghouse.

John


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