Fairline Phantom 50

[Cozzy]

The search for Cozzy III continues

I have been contacted by the owner of a Phantom 50 in Scotland who is thinking of trading her or putting her on the market.

Specifications copied from email:
2005 VIN model but launched March 2006
Galley up version with crew cabin
Volvo Penta D12 715hp engines x 2
Hours 550 (full service history)
7 berths in four cabins
Optional extras:
Onan 17.5kva generator
300kg passerelle
Stern thruster (dual control)
Rope cutters
Raymarine radar/chart plotter/VHF (dual control)
Raymarine Sat TV in saloon
Eberspacher D8 central heating
Ebespacher windscreen demisters
Additional fridge in galley
Additional 20m anchor chain
Leather seating
Complete new set of canvas covers 2012

Photographs (32 of them) show a very loved craft IMO.
The owner is not in good health and has only logged 50 hours in the last two years.

The asking price is very competitive v similar listed in UK a big saving over Princess 42s from 2008 - 2010 which are currently on our shopping list.

Ignoring running costs (fuel/berth/maintenance) what is the forums opinion of this craft v a Princess 42 with D6 435s.

Thank you.

 

[kashurst]

a very good boat, well built all the usual Fairline qualities, If you are considering a boat of this size though there are a lot of good buys at probably less than the P50. Fuel consumption in reality @ 0.5mpg. Relative to a Princess 42 - a lot bigger and a third cabin. seakeeping etc much the same, the P50 being bigger, longer and heavier would keep you happier in proportionately rougher seas.

 

[crazy4557]

Having had a Phantom 46 all I can really say is fabulous build quality, great seakeeping and an all round great boat but the flybridge on a 46 has little protection from the wind. Just a point that's worth bearing in mind as it spoilt the boat for us but maybe the 50 has a better setup.

 

[admillington]

I owned a 2008 Phantom 50 from new (boat number 142) for a couple of years and it was an excellent boat.

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Pros:-

Good sea boat and a lot better than the Phantom 46 I had before due to the extra weight
Good build quality - the boat you are interested in would have got through the B.A Peters channel and they had a chap called B.A.P's employee, Chris Green at the factory checking all the boats during the build.
D12 - good engines - there is enough on the forum about them and a lot less Revs than the D6's
Good space on Flybridge

Cons

The beds in the twin cabin are quite small.
Cherry Wood can go milky.
Limited gallery Storage

Some more Pics

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Forward View -

Quarter View -

Galley and Helm

Saloon -

Washer under stairs -

Forward Master -

Good Electrics Panel -

Flybridge -

Any questions please let me know.


Andrew

P.S are the pictures showing and if could someone tell me what I am doing wrong!

 

[Nick_H]

P.S are the pictures showing and if could someone tell me what I am doing wrong!

File name must end .jpg, try removing the ?dl=0 from each one

 

[Whitelighter]

Nice boats.

Though I don't understand the galley up comment.

Afaik they were all galley up on the port side with three cabins forward

 

[Cozzy]

Thanks guys.

Admillington, thanks for the links, she is a fine craft for sure.
Saloon and forward cabin look huge v Princess 42.
Also, the images I've received from the owner suggest that the shower is also large ? The ones in the Princess 42 are tiny tubular pods.
Not sure if she has the washer under the stairs but maybe not an issue for just two.
Saying that, will the P50 tempt us to stay on board longer ?

Gosh, if you asked me last week if I'd consider a 50ft boat I'd have answered no way, too big for us

Whitelighter, the one I'm discussing has a galley to port, opposite the helm. I'm not familiar with the P50 so I don't understand the comment either. I assumed that there were different arrangements?
The four cabins mentioned includes crew cabin so yes, three cabins forward is correct

 

[Cozzy]

Thinking of the jump from 38ft to 50ft.

Anybody see a problem here particularly berthing in tight spots and draught ?

I previously jumped from 28ft to 38ft. Similar boats so not the issue I feared

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Fuel consumption in reality @ 0.5mpg.

No, surely not? My last boat was a 53 footer and fuel consumption averaged around 0.65mpg at planing speed. I'm guessing the Phantom 50 would average about 0.7mpg. The Phantom 50 had a good reputation and I would have one over a 42 footer any day even if it is a bit older. I did look at buying one once myself and smacked my head on the patio door frame a couple of times so check you're OK for headroom yourself. This one in Scotland seems like an excellent spec

 

[Cozzy]

No, surely not? My last boat was a 53 footer and fuel consumption averaged around 0.65mpg at planing speed. I'm guessing the Phantom 50 would average about 0.7mpg. The Phantom 50 had a good reputation and I would have one over a 42 footer any day even if it is a bit older. I did look at buying one once myself and smacked my head on the patio door frame a couple of times so check you're OK for headroom yourself. This one in Scotland seems like an excellent spec

Thanks Mike
Why would you prefer an older 50ft to a newer 42ft ?
I'm 5'11", do I need a hard hat

Hopefully I'm not boring the forum with all these questions as I hope to carry out a lot of research before embarking on a 12 hour round trip and overnight etc.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Thanks Mike
Why would you prefer an older 50ft to a newer 42ft ?
I'm 5'11", do I need a hard hat

I'm 6'1" so no you don't need a hard hat As to why you'd want a 50 footer over a 42 footer, there are a number of reasons. First the accomodation volume inside the boat will be proportionately much bigger than the extra 8ft would suggest. Secondly, there is no substitute for extra length and weight in a seaway. Third, you usually get 3 sleeping cabins (+crew cabin) on a 50 footer whereas most 42 footers only have 2 (and maybe no crew cabin) and extra cabins are always useful unless you're a Billy No Mates You'll soon get used to manouvering a 50 footer in a marina; in fact in some ways they're easier than smaller boats because they get blown about less and respond slower. With regard to the P50, to my eyes at least, it still looks like a modern boat and this one in particular looks like a good one. Low but not excessively low hours and a very good spec. Not often you'll get such a big gennie, pasarelle, stern thruster and sat TV on a UK boat. The D12s are also good engines by all accounts and 2 x 715hp is quite a lot of power in a cooking 50 footer so she should go well. Certainly got to be worth a trip up to Scotland IMHO

 

[admillington]

Cozzy - have answered your PM - hopefully you have got it as the answer doesn't appear in the sent items!

Trouble is with boats that when they get in water and you have owned them for a while, they shrink so go as big as you can.

Will worth a trip to Scotland........

 

[Cozzy]

I'm 6'1" so no you don't need a hard hat As to why you'd want a 50 footer over a 42 footer, there are a number of reasons. First the accomodation volume inside the boat will be proportionately much bigger than the extra 8ft would suggest. Secondly, there is no substitute for extra length and weight in a seaway. Third, you usually get 3 sleeping cabins (+crew cabin) on a 50 footer whereas most 42 footers only have 2 (and maybe no crew cabin) and extra cabins are always useful unless you're a Billy No Mates You'll soon get used to manouvering a 50 footer in a marina; in fact in some ways they're easier than smaller boats because they get blown about less and respond slower. With regard to the P50, to my eyes at least, it still looks like a modern boat and this one in particular looks like a good one. Low but not excessively low hours and a very good spec. Not often you'll get such a big gennie, pasarelle, stern thruster and sat TV on a UK boat. The D12s are also good engines by all accounts and 2 x 715hp is quite a lot of power in a cooking 50 footer so she should go well. Certainly got to be worth a trip up to Scotland IMHO

Cheers Mike
I really appreciate the information.
The only negative then from our perspective then is the additional cabins, we only need two, yip Billy & Bessy no mates
To be honest I'm surprised that the older boat is getting such positive comments but agree, the exterior does look modern in the images if not the interior.
Regards
Cozzy

 

[Cozzy]

Cozzy - have answered your PM - hopefully you have got it as the answer doesn't appear in the sent items!

Trouble is with boats that when they get in water and you have owned them for a while, they shrink so go as big as you can.

Will worth a trip to Scotland........

PM received Andrew, many thanks.

 

[Cozzy]

Are D12s still in production ?
If I purchase its likely we will own her for 5 years. Can I reasonably expect access to the necessary parts for maintenance / repairs for this period ?

 

[volvopaul]

Are D12s still in production ?
If I purchase its likely we will own her for 5 years. Can I reasonably expect access to the necessary parts for maintenance / repairs for this period ?

Oh yes D12 will be around for a long time as there a commercial engine too so there are millions of them out there, great motor.

The only thing I've ever heard bad about the phantom 50 is a structural problem with the flybridge overhang sagging.

 

[Cozzy]

Thanks VP, it's looking more positive

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

The only negative then from our perspective then is the additional cabins, we only need two, yip Billy & Bessy no mates

Oooh no! You're going to require those extra cabins for the forumite crew that you'll need for the long delivery trip south

 

[sonvida2]

We owned a 2005 P50 with a similar specification to the one you are looking at and we sold it in 2011.
In the 5.5 years we regularly travelled up, down and across the Irish Sea and logged 480 hours.
We always serviced with authorised Volvo engineers and the boat was 100% reliable. The handling is terrific in most sea states and it took a few nasty trips when the wave height was more than anticipated. Cruising speed is nice at 24 knots with a slight bow up in flat seas and easily trimmed down with powerful tabs when it got rough.
Personally I cannot fault the Phantom 50 or the powerful D12 engines. If the one you are looking at is under 250k then it must be a serious contender.

We are looking to return to boating from 2015 and like you, it's just me and SWMBO as the family have moved on from parents to girlfriends, boyfriends, fiancée, husband and children. Yip, big family however, they only visit the boat rarely and anything more than two cabins is a waste for us. Also, we have bought a weekend / holiday apartment so we are unlikely to use a boat as extensively as before. Fair weather boating here we come

The perfect boat for our use going forward is the new Princess 43. At 46ft x 14ft I suggest this model to you as a perfect compromise between the 42 and 50 however, it is very expensive. I will respond more on this in your other thread.

Please keep us posted as this is a very interesting conundrum and one not easily answered.

 

[benjenbav]

in about 2006, my next door neighbour in Chi marina was a P50 and I can remember being impressed with the smoothness of the handling when docking. May just have been a superskilled helmsman but it did seem like the boat was not un-handy too.