Fairline Phantom 50

PowerYachtBlog said:
No boat have galley up, and its same position in the upper saloon to port side. The difference is that the Mk.II has more open model galley feel, and has its finishing with a minimal touch.
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The images supplied by the seller clearly show the galley in the saloon (port side opposite helm). Isn't this "galley up" ?
 
Steve C Cronin said:
Friends of ours, along the pontoon have one.

Very nice boat but a few silly bits of nonsense.

The washing machine empties the limited water tanks far too quickly and is only really practical in a marina.

The "crew" quarters are far too cramped.

The puney anchor and light chain, as a result of needing massive fuel tanks just don't work.

Their builder applied antifouling had disappeared within a few hundred miles leaving the bottom looking like a chart of the middle of the Med.

Tiny rudders mean he had to retro-fit a stern thruster to have any control when backing up to a quay.
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Stern thruster not required. The only boats that benefit are things like nordhavns. 60 tons and 2x 170 hp for example. Or single engine mobos like Antares 30s. You just don't touch the wheel when mooring a boat like this. It needs no rudders at all and will handle very very easily.
 
The washing machine empties the limited water tanks far too quickly and is only really practical in a marina.
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A single use of a washing machine will not empty a water tank. Ours uses 100 litres of water at most per wash

The puney anchor and light chain, as a result of needing massive fuel tanks just don't work.
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The anchor/chain have nothing to do with the fuel tanks; they are at different ends of the boat. Having said that mobo manufacturers habitually fit anchors and chains which are too small for regular overnighting but Fairline are no more guilty than the rest. However it is an easy fix. £500 would buy a heavier anchor and some upgraded chain

Tiny rudders mean he had to retro-fit a stern thruster to have any control when backing up to a quay.
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Nobody needs a sternthruster when they've got 2 bloody great big engines irrespective of the rudder size
 
We anchored out overnight many times although in settled conditions. No anchor problems to report.
SWMBO used the washer dryer during extended stays and I can't remember any water usage issues. If memory serves water tank holds 500 / 600 L
Stern thruster is not needed however we had one fitted and it was handy from time to time for various reasons. I used it a lot in the early days and very rarely once experience built. In fact it was faulty for one season and I only repaired it just in case. I see the post #1 mentions that one is fitted anyway.

BTW: good thread and it's good to see the old girl has a good reputation :encouragement:
 
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Cozzy said:
VP.
What is the difference between MkI & MkII ?
Is this the galley up the seller is referring to I wonder.
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The saloon layout is different as is the galley entrance. Mk2 feels more open. I think the engines on the Mk1 were rated lower (675bhp) but, happy to be corrected.

The galley position is the same just more open in Mk2.
 
Steve C Cronin said:
Tiny rudders mean he had to retro-fit a stern thruster to have any control when backing up to a quay.
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I agree the other comments on this. There is nothing wrong with the rudder design. It suggests your friend isn't able to drive the boat as it should be driven. This boat has very coarse props with those 715 engines. The sideways kick from the props would be more powerful than a stern thruster. If you know how to drive this boat you'd never use rudders at low speed and you'd just kick it exactly where you wanted it using the props and bow thruster.
 
jfm said:
I agree the other comments on this. There is nothing wrong with the rudder design. It suggests your friend isn't able to drive the boat as it should be driven. This boat has very coarse props with those 715 engines. The sideways kick from the props would be more powerful than a stern thruster. If you know how to drive this boat you'd never use rudders at low speed and you'd just kick it exactly where you wanted it using the props and bow thruster.
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Agreed. Actually when experience grows it is perfectly feasible to time the evc delay to catch the prop with one or part of one revolution for a small aft sideways movement as required.
 
Cozzy said:
The search for Cozzy III continues ;)

I have been contacted by the owner of a Phantom 50 in Scotland who is thinking of trading her or putting her on the market.


Volvo Penta D12 715hp engines x 2
Hours 550 (full service history)

Ignoring running costs (fuel/berth/maintenance) what is the forums opinion of this craft v a Princess 42 with D6 435s.

Thank you.
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Hi Cozzy,

I agree with previous comments, P50 is a very nice boat indeed. D12 715s' are loads of power for a P50. They will not have worked hard, anything close to 600Hp would be plentiful for cruising around low 20-22 knots. Also they are a modern engine.

Running cost are obviously higher in berthing, cleaning, annual maintenance and of course fuel, BUT once you get into the 50ft bracket you'll start seeing the benefits of 'Pootleing'. :encouragement:

Hardly uses any fuel on tick-over @ 7 knots! :cool:

RR
 
Thanks again for all the information.
Our flights are booked and we should be on board the Phantom 50 before lunchtime Thursday and back home for dinner.
 
Cozzy said:
Thanks again for all the information.
Our flights are booked and we should be on board the Phantom 50 before lunchtime Thursday and back home for dinner.
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Oooh er, how exciting! Good luck and here's hoping that she's as good in the flesh as she looks on paper!
 
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Oooh er, how exciting! Good luck and here's hoping that she's as good in the flesh as she looks on paper!
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Thanks Mike.
Just one quick check on the forum as I sip my coffee before heading over to B'ham to catch the flight.
I hope you're right as the photos look great.
More later ;)
 
volvopaul said:
Oh yes D12 will be around for a long time as there a commercial engine too so there are millions of them out there, great motor.

The only thing I've ever heard bad about the phantom 50 is a structural problem with the flybridge overhang sagging.
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Volvo D12's are no longer manufactured but spare parts are readily available btw
 
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