garvellachs
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I saw them yesterday in Brixham - was visiting Salcombe at the time - and Sand dune has got the freshwater pump going again (better than ever) so we all had a cup of tea and celebrated the return of the US CG.
Experienced crew wanted Preston-Brighton 10/5/14 ish
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garvellachs
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Into Brighton Marina about 2100 last night and drying everything out dslittle tells me, after a seriously wet squall. Final destination is Eastbourne so one more day if the weather obliges.
Poecheng
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Think a bit of an update appears on a different thread: post number 5 !
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?397491-Yacht-Delivery-Experience
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?397491-Yacht-Delivery-Experience
dslittle
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OK I wasn't going to post on here but now you know. Spirit of Frodo is now safely berthed at Sovereign Harbour. She was handed over to me at Plymouth after three other Forumites brought her down the West Coast. I will publicly thank all of them on here now as they all did a brilliant job out of the goodness of their hearts. This afternoon, as we were approaching Eastbourne, the OP told me that he believed that I, and the others, had undertaken the trip for our own benefits. I will not speak for the other three but I will say that I brought the boat from Plymouth with only the OP on board for no renumeration whatsoever. I initially said that I would help him as I felt that he was getting quite bad press on here after asking for help. I put that down to English not being his first language. I can say (because he told me a number of times) that he is very intelligent and understands English very well. I spent four days of my life helping him. Would I do it again? If someone who I believe genuinely needs help then yes (at one stage in the thread he did say that he would do it himself - I would hate to have seen the consequences). I am pleased and privileged to have dealt with the other three GENTLEMEN who helped.
SimbaDog
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Well done chaps :encouragement:
fergie_mac66
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you cant say fairer that that
Mark-1
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Toutvabien
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Very interesting and measured response to the situation, it is one of those stories that leave one wondering. When the lad was getting grief on here I was tempted to offer to jump on too( again not because I need the sailing experience), one can only hope that on reflection folk are able to think about the way that people do often offer assistance just as a fairly random act of generosity.
jordanbasset
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Cheers Dave, similar reasons to me for helping, atleast I had the better weather:encouragement:
SP2
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Well done to the guys for helping someone who asked for assistance.
When I was younger I would crew mainly for friends who needed help - usually deliveries south and east coast and getting back from France/Belgium. I could have stuck to using the family boat. Yes I enjoyed the trips (although some friendships were strained - who serves their crew up a Pot Noodle off the North Foreland
) but I never saw the trips as being a benefit to me other than in friendship terms.
Guess you reap what you sow.
When I was younger I would crew mainly for friends who needed help - usually deliveries south and east coast and getting back from France/Belgium. I could have stuck to using the family boat. Yes I enjoyed the trips (although some friendships were strained - who serves their crew up a Pot Noodle off the North Foreland
) but I never saw the trips as being a benefit to me other than in friendship terms.Guess you reap what you sow.
Searush
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Interesting & measured comment, thank you. Maybe people see things as they themselves would behave? I think that the OP has been very fortunate to find such experienced, generous & helpful people who might have cost him a great deal of money if hired professionally on a delivery or training basis.
I suspect that the OP may have learned a lot about sailing, but perhaps not enough about people, yet.
I suspect that the OP may have learned a lot about sailing, but perhaps not enough about people, yet.
dylanwinter
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wow
that is astonishing
some of the responses from the OP suggested that his interpersonal skills could do with a bit of a brush up
goodonya for helping though
D
that is astonishing
some of the responses from the OP suggested that his interpersonal skills could do with a bit of a brush up
goodonya for helping though
D
trapezeartist
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That may be true, though most of the time I got on with him pretty well. Also, there were two of us helping him on the Milford Haven to Plymouth leg so I had other company too.
Best of all was the non-human company.
fergie_mac66
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nothing like natural wave and wind and water sounds to accompany dolphins. with a chuckle of a bow wave
Rigger Mortice
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I wonder if we're going to see a note of thanks and appreciation for those who generously gave their time and assistance.............
JumbleDuck
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If not I'd be interested to learn how experienced and competent the OP actually is.
dslittle
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Stan has read a lot of books on sailing. He has a good theoretical knowledge BUT there are serious gaps in his knowledge. He would not pass a DS Theory Examination but I have no doubt that, given the syllabus he could do so within a couple of weeks. He is a quick learner when he chooses to be.
He has NO PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER, other than this trip. He would not pass a practical course. He steers using the auto pilot. He told me that he was good at that as he had played computer games. I was surprised at the beginning of the trip when I tried to explain tidal streams, that he was not interested. He told me that I was there for the navigation and he only wanted me to give him a course to steer. He has no concept of tidal heights. Entering Sovereign Harbour. I had spoken to a friend there who advised me that the sand bar had silted up and to come in from the SWM. I navigated Stan to the SWM and went below to do the log. He chose to cut across the bar. Had it been anyone else helming, we would probably have touched (it was a rising tide) but Stan 'safely' made it over totally obliviously.
The only time that Stan scared me was entering Lymington. I had explained to him that the ferries took up a lot of space in the narrow channel and it was best to pass them in the straight entering. He slowed down as I requested but then REFUSED to do a 360 by Jack in the Basket because he 'did not think I was right and did not feel in any danger'. As the ferry passed us on the bend, Stan was pushed across to a starboard channel marker that actually dries, on a falling tide. Once again, no harm was done but the margin for error was much less than I was happy with (I saw that the Bridge were quite bemused too!!!). He has a good feel for mooring up in benign conditions, using the bow thrusters (he would be excellent with a joystick and 360 docking but at the moment that is a bit out of his budget range).
As I said previously, I am glad that I helped him. He did allude to the fact that he would have done it alone. I have no doubt that he would have if necessary, but Portland Bill might have been interesting!!!
He has bought the boat as a Liveaboard and it is well suited for him in that respect. I just hope that he gains some experience IF he chooses to come back out of the lock.
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Mark-1
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Thanks for post, showed my toddler daughter and she literally squealed with joy.
I find it hard to totally believe anyone saying they did this for 100pc altruistic purposes. If the OP need a septic tank cleaning nobody would have offered to help. Yes, they were doing him a favour, but I bet they still though they might enjoy it to some extent.
Whatever, this was YBW at its best. Everyone on the trip deserves a slap on the back.
Thanks for post, showed my toddler daughter and she literally squealed with joy.
I find it hard to totally believe anyone saying they did this for 100pc altruistic purposes. If the OP need a septic tank cleaning nobody would have offered to help. Yes, they were doing him a favour, but I bet they still though they might enjoy it to some extent.
Whatever, this was YBW at its best. Everyone on the trip deserves a slap on the back.
Tintin
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Rather than the slap on face by the OP.
Rigger Mortice
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I'm so glad I didn't go on this trip. I was tempted and did seriously think about it, but I was put off by the tone of one of the OP's posts. I have no need to go on a trip with someone with "attitude". Perhaps I'm just an old cycnic though; 10 out of 10 to those who are more willing to help. Luckily these things usually turn out well far more often than this case.