Jamesuk
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As a yacht owner do I need to have a ticket to saill in the med.
Currently I own the yacht and have sailed it for many years?
J
Currently I own the yacht and have sailed it for many years?
J
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As a yacht owner do I need to have a ticket to saill in the med.
Currently I own the yacht and have sailed it for many years?
J
[/ QUOTE ]As a small private yacht, not for hire or reward, if your yacht is British Registered (or SSR) and you fly the Red (or Blue, if you have a warrant) ensign, then you may sail, in theory, anywhere in the world you like without a ticket because there is no truly official 'ticket' for British yachtsmen. However, you might have problems in some places if you cannot show your 'permit' or 'licence'. The easiest way round that is to take the International Certificate of Competence test through an RYA approved examiner. It is pretty easy to do if you have sailed for many years and frankly if you you find the test challenging you don't want to be sailing to the Med. It would be silly to go to the Med without an ICC, to be honest.
Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher. Go figure, but get an ICC /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The cost of joining the RYA is about the same as the extra cost they charge non-members for the ICC cert (not the test, you pay for that either way). So unless you are an RYA conchie, it might pay to join them, at least for that year.
As a yacht owner do I need to have a ticket to saill in the med.
Currently I own the yacht and have sailed it for many years?
J
[/ QUOTE ]As a small private yacht, not for hire or reward, if your yacht is British Registered (or SSR) and you fly the Red (or Blue, if you have a warrant) ensign, then you may sail, in theory, anywhere in the world you like without a ticket because there is no truly official 'ticket' for British yachtsmen. However, you might have problems in some places if you cannot show your 'permit' or 'licence'. The easiest way round that is to take the International Certificate of Competence test through an RYA approved examiner. It is pretty easy to do if you have sailed for many years and frankly if you you find the test challenging you don't want to be sailing to the Med. It would be silly to go to the Med without an ICC, to be honest.
Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher. Go figure, but get an ICC /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The cost of joining the RYA is about the same as the extra cost they charge non-members for the ICC cert (not the test, you pay for that either way). So unless you are an RYA conchie, it might pay to join them, at least for that year.
oakum
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If you intend to enter the french canal system from the med you will require ICC or/and a French ticket obtainable from your RYA approved examiner not sure about other canal entry ports. Your insurance may give you better terms sailing in the med if you do possess a ticket.
nimbusgb
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Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher. Go figure, but get an ICC /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Nothing odd about it. The UK government has recognised the fact that the RYA does a perfectly good job of ensuring that those that do take the time to get a qualification get one of a known standard. The Association does a damn fine job of 'self policing' the boating fraternity so they don't need to get involved. it is because the RYA is doing such a good job that we remain largely unregulated in terms of licencing and is a good reason to be a member if nothing else!
Of course the continental view that unless its wrapped in bureaucracy it has no official value, trips over this type of mentality and baulks at accepting 'qualifications' from a non-governmental body.
Same problem with glider pilots licences. the BGA does a splendid job with very tried and tested training and pilot certification methods but a BGA glider pilots licence is no good in places like France.
For sailing in the med whatever the official stance may be you need to get an ICC at the very least. Some little town harbourmaster could at the very least spoil your day if he asked and you didn't have one. ( very rare however ) They are BOGOF with an RYA day skipper qualification. So if you have one of those just fill in the forms and get them off to the RYA. Some centres will do an ICC practical but very few advertise the fact and you end up being talked into doing a full day skippers course. Nothing wrong with that but not really necessary.
To venture into the canals in Europe you need a CEVNI endorsement on an ICC. A 10 minute test on the contents of a little booklet available from the RYA.
RYA Icc
and this form shows what is involved in an ICC practical.
Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher. Go figure, but get an ICC /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Nothing odd about it. The UK government has recognised the fact that the RYA does a perfectly good job of ensuring that those that do take the time to get a qualification get one of a known standard. The Association does a damn fine job of 'self policing' the boating fraternity so they don't need to get involved. it is because the RYA is doing such a good job that we remain largely unregulated in terms of licencing and is a good reason to be a member if nothing else!
Of course the continental view that unless its wrapped in bureaucracy it has no official value, trips over this type of mentality and baulks at accepting 'qualifications' from a non-governmental body.
Same problem with glider pilots licences. the BGA does a splendid job with very tried and tested training and pilot certification methods but a BGA glider pilots licence is no good in places like France.
For sailing in the med whatever the official stance may be you need to get an ICC at the very least. Some little town harbourmaster could at the very least spoil your day if he asked and you didn't have one. ( very rare however ) They are BOGOF with an RYA day skipper qualification. So if you have one of those just fill in the forms and get them off to the RYA. Some centres will do an ICC practical but very few advertise the fact and you end up being talked into doing a full day skippers course. Nothing wrong with that but not really necessary.
To venture into the canals in Europe you need a CEVNI endorsement on an ICC. A 10 minute test on the contents of a little booklet available from the RYA.
RYA Icc
and this form shows what is involved in an ICC practical.
BrianH
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Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher.
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I have just completed the VHF-SRC radio course and now have a licence for the first time, despite having a VHF radio aboard for many years - just for the weather reports, you understand ...
What was amusing was the comment that the instructor made about international recognition of this RYA qualification. The German authorities are threatening to remove recognition of it because they say it is impossible to adequately instruct the syllabus in just one day (in Germany it is two days plus another for the test).
Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher.
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I have just completed the VHF-SRC radio course and now have a licence for the first time, despite having a VHF radio aboard for many years - just for the weather reports, you understand ...
What was amusing was the comment that the instructor made about international recognition of this RYA qualification. The German authorities are threatening to remove recognition of it because they say it is impossible to adequately instruct the syllabus in just one day (in Germany it is two days plus another for the test).
macd
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"The Med"...big place and mostly international waters where no goverment has any direct say. Would you ask the same question of, say, the North Sea? It'd help posters give specific information if you indicated in which countries you're interested.
Personally, I've never been asked to show any qualifications, nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters. I have a CEVNI-endored ICC on a British registered boat, just in case, but I wouldn't be worried if I lacked that (lacked the certificate, that is, not the boat -- that would bother me).
Personally, I've never been asked to show any qualifications, nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters. I have a CEVNI-endored ICC on a British registered boat, just in case, but I wouldn't be worried if I lacked that (lacked the certificate, that is, not the boat -- that would bother me).
Poignard
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Thanks for that, very helpful.
My ICC has just expired and I was wondering whether it was worth renewing. Now I will.
My ICC has just expired and I was wondering whether it was worth renewing. Now I will.
vyv_cox
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<<< nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters. >>>
I agree, you have never spoken to me, as far as I know. However, I have been asked to show my 'driver's licence' in Belgium, Holland, France and Greece. I know a number of people who have been asked for their ICC in Spain. It's just something that individual officials may do. It would certainly spoil your day if you couldn't comply.
I agree, you have never spoken to me, as far as I know. However, I have been asked to show my 'driver's licence' in Belgium, Holland, France and Greece. I know a number of people who have been asked for their ICC in Spain. It's just something that individual officials may do. It would certainly spoil your day if you couldn't comply.
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I've never been asked to show any qualifications, nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters.
[/ QUOTE ]I personally know (as in face to face, not forumnites) several people who have been stopped at sea and boarded in Spanish Mediterranean waters. I have on several occasions been approached by a Customs gunboat off Cabo de Gata in the middle of the night, checking us out (never boarded though). I know of many others through these forums and others who have had to produce their quals in the Med.
One other point...cruising along the French Riviera last summer I had a hankering to hire a really fast, powerful RIB for the day. One of those RIBS with engines bigger than most peoples' boats. Just for the fun of it. I didn't do it, as it happens but with an ICC rating I could have done. Without one, I would have been limited to a small bathtub with a governed 6hp motor /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I've never been asked to show any qualifications, nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters.
[/ QUOTE ]I personally know (as in face to face, not forumnites) several people who have been stopped at sea and boarded in Spanish Mediterranean waters. I have on several occasions been approached by a Customs gunboat off Cabo de Gata in the middle of the night, checking us out (never boarded though). I know of many others through these forums and others who have had to produce their quals in the Med.
One other point...cruising along the French Riviera last summer I had a hankering to hire a really fast, powerful RIB for the day. One of those RIBS with engines bigger than most peoples' boats. Just for the fun of it. I didn't do it, as it happens but with an ICC rating I could have done. Without one, I would have been limited to a small bathtub with a governed 6hp motor /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
BrianH
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Personally, I've never been asked to show any qualifications, nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters.
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I have repeated this on a number of occasions on these fora - without a recognised certificate of competence a skipper cannot qualify for entry to Croatian waters. You will be denied entry at the port of entry or will have to take (and pay for) a competence test by a suitably qualified Croatian port official.
For anyone planning on bare-boat chartering in Croatia not only at least an ICC is required but also a valid VHF licence, as all charter yachts must now be equipped with a DSC VHF set. The possession of these certificates is ordered to be checked by the charter companies before accepting bookings.
Personally, I've never been asked to show any qualifications, nor spoken to any other yotties who have, in sailing in French, Spanish, Italian and Greek waters.
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I have repeated this on a number of occasions on these fora - without a recognised certificate of competence a skipper cannot qualify for entry to Croatian waters. You will be denied entry at the port of entry or will have to take (and pay for) a competence test by a suitably qualified Croatian port official.
For anyone planning on bare-boat chartering in Croatia not only at least an ICC is required but also a valid VHF licence, as all charter yachts must now be equipped with a DSC VHF set. The possession of these certificates is ordered to be checked by the charter companies before accepting bookings.
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Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher. Go figure, but get an ICC /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Nothing odd about it.
[/ QUOTE ]Well it seems odd to me that a Full Ocean Yachtmaster's Certificate has no legal significance in the EU while the ICC, which takes a few hours, is recognised? OK, the Yachtmaster's entitles you automatically to an ICC but it is the (inferior) ICC that you need to show to the authorities, not the Yachtmaster's.
I find that odd. I suspect that it is due to a lack of harmonised standards and a translation but that doesn't make it any less odd.
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Oddly, the other RYA quals do not have the same international acceptance even though the standards are higher. Go figure, but get an ICC /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Nothing odd about it.
[/ QUOTE ]Well it seems odd to me that a Full Ocean Yachtmaster's Certificate has no legal significance in the EU while the ICC, which takes a few hours, is recognised? OK, the Yachtmaster's entitles you automatically to an ICC but it is the (inferior) ICC that you need to show to the authorities, not the Yachtmaster's.
I find that odd. I suspect that it is due to a lack of harmonised standards and a translation but that doesn't make it any less odd.
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Some centres will do an ICC practical but very few advertise the fact and you end up being talked into doing a full day skippers course[ QUOTE ]
Some clubs offer this facility IF they have a suitable qualified Instructor AND have registered as an ICC training centre.
Some clubs offer this facility IF they have a suitable qualified Instructor AND have registered as an ICC training centre.
Tranona
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Not odd at all. A typical EU type (although it is UN sponsored) bodge to "harmonise" through following the line of least resistance. Imagine trying to get even two countries to agree on a common test, it is difficult enough to get agreement to the ICC which is unlikely to offend anybody.
While the RYA qualifications do not have any "legal" standing for private yachts, this is because there is no legal requirement to have them. They do have standing when they are for commerial operators because of the legal requirement to have them to operate British Registered yacht commercially. They are also accepted by other flag states which is why there is or has been big business in training for Super Yachts.
While the RYA qualifications do not have any "legal" standing for private yachts, this is because there is no legal requirement to have them. They do have standing when they are for commerial operators because of the legal requirement to have them to operate British Registered yacht commercially. They are also accepted by other flag states which is why there is or has been big business in training for Super Yachts.
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