Etap 21i or similar

[mbroom]

With my 38 footer now in the Med, I am looking for a smaller boat to use at home on the Clyde. I want a small boat to keep mooring costs down. Top of the list is the Etap 21i, but there are other suspects such as the First 211 etc... however the First does seem less suitable for overnight cruising. It has to be fast, which rules out several older designs.

Does anyone have any experiences or recommendations? Usage will probably be day sailing, and a few nights away to Ireland, or the West Coast via Mull of Kintyre. I used to do these trips in a Hunter 19, so am no stranger to small boat cruising. I do however, need a usable bog and a heater for whatever I choose...

 

[Seajet]

Anderson 22.

Same designer and delightful helm character of the Hunter - same designer, Oliver Lee.

Separate loo ( to one side midships between curtains ) as standard.

There are a couple for sale at the moment; one of the two specials with a fixed fin, in need of much TLC, in Scotland.

Another apparently fully equipped standard boat - I don't know her personally so need details - going for a silly low price.

Unfortunately my website is down at the moment due to someone elses' unfortunate personal problems, but the site will be up again very soon - in the meantime I have all the info, this is my 40th season with my A22.

 

[mbroom]

Anderson 22.

Same designer and delightful helm character of the Hunter - same designer, Oliver Lee.
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Separate loo ( to one side midships between curtains ) as standard.

There are a couple for sale at the moment; one of the two specials with a fixed fin, in need of much TLC, in Scotland.

Another apparently fully equipped standard boat - I don't know her personally so need details - going for a silly low price.

Unfortunately my website is down at the moment due to someone elses' unfortunate personal problems, but the site will be up again very soon - in the meantime I have all the info, this is my 40th season with my A22.

I am not looking for a project, and the A22s on the web seem fairly knackered. But if you have any more information, I would be grateful.

 

[bbg]

You could think of an older Mini Transat boat.
https://www.classemini.com/?mode=petites-annonces&categorie=5&page=1
498 is for sale in the UK
271 and 384 might also be interesting for you.

Not sure if they are in your budget, but I think they would tick some boxes for you - if you don't mind a spartan interior that can be used for boat-camping.
Edit - just say you need a usable head. These won't have that. Bucket and chuck-it, so probably not for you.

The old Pogo 1 384 MIGHT have a head. Not sure. I know 498 doesn't as I've sailed that one.

 

[Seajet]

mbroom,

this one seems worth looking at; as the owner has not contacted me I'm not sure which she is so cannot comment further, except to say even nowadays that's a very low price; the only slight snag I can see is no main hatch garage, but we have a source making new ones, and it was always a retrofit - very worthwhile as a good place to site a 30 watt solar panel, and prevents the odd leak bashing to windward - which these boats excel at.

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There is an excellent Anderson 22 for sale in Fobbing in Essex owned by a very experienced sailor. Selling due to old age., Very well equipped.plus road & launching trailer. Apply via Stone sailing club. Seajet probably knows of Gavin Watkins


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I can provide a lot of info, especially while the website is down, the boat has been reviewed by Sailing Today, PBO andYachting World, all gave a big thumbs up; I have had larger boats and a lot of high performance dinghies, but always rate the Anderson ( with four useable bunks and separate loo, outboard in a well and high performance especially in heavy weather ) as no.1, this is our 40th season.

 

[mbroom]

You could think of an older Mini Transat boat.
https://www.classemini.com/?mode=petites-annonces&categorie=5&page=1
498 is for sale in the UK
271 and 384 might also be interesting for you.

Not sure if they are in your budget, but I think they would tick some boxes for you - if you don't mind a spartan interior that can be used for boat-camping.
Edit - just say you need a usable head. These won't have that. Bucket and chuck-it, so probably not for you.

The old Pogo 1 384 MIGHT have a head. Not sure. I know 498 doesn't as I've sailed that one.

A Mini is on my want list... 498 looks nice but needs too much work inside, and is outside my budget. A Pogo 1 with bunks may be a possibility. Good suggestions!

 

[Rafiki]

What about this:
FOR SALE Rambling Rose. Jaguar 21.5 on C22
Jaguar ceased production of the popular 21
and an Essex boatbuilder and his friend
bought the production rights and produced
this improved prototype which was exhibited
at the 2002 Southampton Boat Show. The
friend died and this was the end of the
project, The boat was stored in a barn until I
bought it, completed the fit-out and
commissioned it in 2016.
Hence it is in pristine condition and fitted out
to a high standard for inshore cruising. It has
a drop keel, a Garmin 500 chart plotter, and
a 4-stroke Mariner outboard which has only
done about 100 hours and sits in a well in
the aft end of the cockpit.
There is a full review on the Jaguar Yacht
Owners web site, and further details on my
advert on Apollo Duck web site.
Price £7,500
Ron Jones Ph 01488680782.
ronjones@john-lewis.com (Sept)

 

[bbg]

A Mini is on my want list... 498 looks nice but needs too much work inside, and is outside my budget. A Pogo 1 with bunks may be a possibility. Good suggestions!

Pogo 1 was the last production mini that was really set up for (basic) comfort, as you see from the photos. It is easy to get into the cabin of a Pogo (498 is a real pain) and, other than the lack of a head, seems to fit your requirements.

Good luck. Enjoy.

 

[rwoofer]

Jeanneau Sun 2000.

Possibly the most similar boat to 21.7

 

[CPD]

I’m interested in knowing why you think the First 211 is less suitable for overnight cruising ?. Never sailed one but high on my list for next boat .....

 

[mbroom]

I’m interested in knowing why you think the First 211 is less suitable for overnight cruising ?. Never sailed one but high on my list for next boat .....

It is a lovely boat, but the Porta Potti bog is either under the forward bunk or in main cabin. Not so good if I take a pal.... Even the Pogo 1 looks like it could be converted to a sea toilet with minor surgery. The Etap has the bog forward, it has a curtain and can be a proper sea toilet. I know this is not a deal breaker for many, but I really do not want to see my mate’s hairy backside whilst he has his morning dump!

 

[CoVianna]

Left field suggestion but what about one of the Red Fox yachts?

 

[mbroom]

Left field suggestion but what about one of the Red Fox yachts?

Good suggestion, but not many around that I can find.
However a possibility.

 

[Seajet]

It is a lovely boat, but the Porta Potti bog is either under the forward bunk or in main cabin. Not so good if I take a pal.... Even the Pogo 1 looks like it could be converted to a sea toilet with minor surgery. The Etap has the bog forward, it has a curtain and can be a proper sea toilet. I know this is not a deal breaker for many, but I really do not want to see my mate’s hairy backside whilst he has his morning dump!

That's an advantage of the Anderson, if a chemical loo is fitted it's separated by curtains between the forepeak and saloon; but with female friends I just slot in the washboards, sit in the cockpit & leave the radio on.

And it works whie dried out on the mooring, with the huge bounus of not requiring holes in the hull.

 

[mbroom]

That's an advantage of the Anderson, if a chemical loo is fitted it's separated by curtains between the forepeak and saloon; but with female friends I just slot in the washboards, sit in the cockpit & leave the radio on.

And it works whie dried out on the mooring, with the huge bounus of not requiring holes in the hull.

I presume the radio volume is up to 11 if you both had an Indian the night before? ;-)

 

[Seajet]

Not that bad, though being an ex- Harrier man it 's all lift off the mud

 

[coveman]

You wont go far wrong with an Etap - good solid boats - and double skinned meaning unsinkable, but also extremely dry and well insulated. I imagine a dry warm boat could be quite an advantage "up north"!

 

[Poey50]

I had an Etap 22i for 15 years - wonderful boat.

 

[Seajet]

One thing to check with Etaps - and I am by no means against them, quite fancied the 26 - is that on most if not all of them, the lift keel is more of a ' sill dodger ' - it remains part down so is a liability when drying out, even at my club with very soft mud one cannot walk on, an Etap 26 tried it briefly but ended up on her ear every low water.

 

[mbroom]

One thing to check with Etaps - and I am by no means against them, quite fancied the 26 - is that on most if not all of them, the lift keel is more of a ' sill dodger ' - it remains part down so is a liability when drying out, even at my club with very soft mud one cannot walk on, an Etap 26 tried it briefly but ended up on her ear every low water.

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The 21i has a fixed keel in 2 flavours. I sail on the Clyde, so very little need for drying out.