Ensign?

[KeithMD]

I always quite fancied one of these, but I don't imagine there are many private pleasure craft registered in the British Indian Ocean Territory:

Ooo yes, that would be a tricky one to manage. Perhaps one would have to get a job at Diego Garcia first?

The British Indian Ocean Territory has been under continuous British sovereignty since 1814. BIOT is close to the very centre of the Indian Ocean, mid-way between Tanzania and Indonesia. Its nearest neighbours are the Maldives and Sri Lanka. The Territory covers 640,000 square kilometres of ocean but the land area is only 60 square kilometres. The largest and most southerly of the 58 islands, Diego Garcia, accounts for more than half the land area. There is no native population on the islands. BIOT is constitutionally distinct and separate from the UK, with its own laws and Administration. The constitutional arrangements for BIOT are set out in the British Indian Ocean Territory (Constitution) Order 2004 and related instruments. The Territory is administered from London, by a Commissioner appointed by The Queen, who is assisted by a Deputy Commissioner and Administrator. The 2004 Order gives the Commissioner power to make laws for the peace, order and good governance of BIOT. In 1966 the UK agreed with the USA to make BIOT available for the defence purposes of the 2 countries. The US presence on the island of Diego Garcia is governed by a series of agreements called an Exchanges of Notes. From this, the overarching agreement sets out that the whole Territory should be made available for UK and US defence purposes.
British Indian Ocean Territory - GOV.UK

The Falkland Islands would be easier.

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[KeithMD]

Whatever you do, comrades, don't copy the SNP and use an inverted saltire - it's the Russian Navy ensign!

 

[KeithMD]

There's also some confusion over what ensign the Scottish Navy should be flying.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

When there is a Scottish navy they will be able to choose their own but until then it's a hypothetical question.

 

[flaming]

When ill health forced the sale of Dad's last boat I kept the ensign. Telling myself that I'd hoist it when I bought my own boat.

I hoisted it for the first time last Thursday. Then sat and had a bit of a cry. Sent a pic of me, the boat and the ensign to mum. She said she had a bit of a cry too.

Then I folded it and put it away. It's a race boat, we don't do all this ensign nonsense.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

When ill health forced the sale of Dad's last boat I kept the ensign. Telling myself that I'd hoist it when I bought my own boat.

I hoisted it for the first time last Thursday. Then sat and had a bit of a cry. Sent a pic of me, the boat and the ensign to mum. She said she had a bit of a cry too.

Then I folded it and put it away. It's a race boat, we don't do all this ensign nonsense.

My dad’s ensign relatively recently had it’s last outing. Unfortunately very much not on a boat. I have it here now, though I’m not allowed to fly it.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Such attitudes are why Scotland actively, and Wales and Cornwall tentatively (and the latter perhaps unwisely) are seeking independence.

Perhaps your residence in Frances has left you detached from the sheer anger and irritation of british ‘celtic’ groups being lumped in with the English.

There is clear precedent for the ensigns of the celtic nations whether formally recognised by the British Board of trade or not. No one is suggesting ensigns for every village town or county but the OP was intrigued by conflation of English and British identity in the normal red duster. To which I sympathised and made suggestion

After all I fly the flag of Wessex if flag needed on land. (Boat is cornish, I am not)

Just because something happened once doesn’t make it a precedent. Events and history progress despite those who are dragged along kicking and screaming. The red duster is the legally recognised one for the UK in 2023 despite what others might wish. Grandstand all you like but don’t claim things are what they are not.

Wearing strange ‘unofficial ensigns’ is an affectation that is looked on with bemused contempt by many. If you want to campaign for independence for some country or province of The UK then go and argue with politicians. Personally I don’t give a fig save to warn people who wear bits of strange cloth on their boats overseas at their own risk that some officious petty minded official might give them a hard time.

 

[ean_p]

Such attitudes are why Scotland actively, and Wales and Cornwall tentatively (and the latter perhaps unwisely) are seeking independence.

Perhaps your residence in Frances has left you detached from the sheer anger and irritation of british ‘celtic’ groups being lumped in with the English.

There is clear precedent for the ensigns of the celtic nations whether formally recognised by the British Board of trade or not. No one is suggesting ensigns for every village town or county but the OP was intrigued by conflation of English and British identity in the normal red duster. To which I sympathised and made suggestion

After all I fly the flag of Wessex if flag needed on land. (Boat is cornish, I am not)

Deary me......what a lot of pish....!
If memory serves a recent in depth survey reckoned that the 'indigenous ' inhabitants of the British Isles are to all intents indistinguishable on a dna level and as of now we have a gent of Pakistani heritage running and driving the push for independence of the major so called Celtic nation....deary me....when can the Pictish folk have their claim heard...?

 

[KeithMD]

When there is a Scottish navy they will be able to choose their own but until then it's a hypothetical question.

Sorry, there is already a de-facto Scottish Navy (with its own ensign). It's just called something else, to save the other one having to be renamed "The English Navy" (or going back to its original name).

Marine Scotland​

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Marine and fisheries compliance: fleet and aircraft

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Sorry, there is already a de-facto Scottish Navy (with its own ensign). It's just called something else, to save the other one having to be renamed "The English Navy" (or going back to its original name).

Marine Scotland​

Marine Scotland - Wikipedia

Marine and fisheries compliance: fleet and aircraf

Yes as government vessels they fly a Saltire but they are not a navy nor are they required to be registered as merchant vessels are.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Sorry, there is already a de-facto Scottish Navy (with its own ensign). It's just called something else, to save the other one having to be renamed "The English Navy" (or going back to its original name).

Marine Scotland​

Marine Scotland - Wikipedia

Marine and fisheries compliance: fleet and aircraft

As that’s not a part of HM Armed Forces, they’re nowhere near being a navy. And the Royal Navy will not be changing it’s name, come hell or high water regarding Scotland. It was, of course, the Royal Navy of James 1. Hopefully Scotland doesn’t have an issue with that.

 

[Whaup367]

... It was, of course, the Royal Navy of James 1. Hopefully Scotland doesn’t have an issue with that.

Trolling, much?
Think you're over 100 years early, there: James I died in 1437 or thereabouts, RN founded 1546.

But then you know that, didn't you?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

This thread has developed into various Celts studiously ignoring the facts and wriggling away trying to justify the wearing of a Saltire or somer other teacloth as their national ensign which of course it isn't.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Trolling, much?
Think you're over 100 years early, there: James I died in 1437 or thereabouts, RN founded 1546.

But then you know that, didn't you?

Trolling? James 1st of Scotland and England. But then you knew that

 

[dgadee]

This thread has developed into various Celts studiously ignoring the facts and wriggling away trying to justify the wearing of a Saltire or somer other teacloth as their national ensign which of course it isn't.

No it's not. It's English nationalism on show.

Within 50m of me there are 3 coastguard boats and within 1/2 mile several coastguard ships. No interest in our ensign.

I should say I am agnostic about independence (tell me about my pension) but decades of having orange bigots waving it in my face let me see the Scots saltire as much more neutral than your Union Jack.

Flags are entirely political. Accept that your position is just as political as my wife's/crew's.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

No it's not. It's English nationalism on show.

Within 50m of me there are 3 coastguard boats and within 1/2 mile several coastguard ships. No interest in our ensign.

I should say I am agnostic about independence (tell me about my pension) but decades of having orange bigots waving it in my face let me see the Scots saltire as much more neutral than your Union Jack.

Flags are entirely political. Accept that your position is just as political as my wife's/crew's.

No my position is that there is only one national ensign and that is the red duster for UK registered vessels, in all of this no one has asked the question what registry is your boat registered in one assumes that it is the UK registry if that is the car it is pure hubris on your part in wearing the Saltire as an ensign. Flags are political in the sense that the registers are national and therefore political entities but there is no alternative but to accept that.
As for the question of English nationalism I would counter that it is exactly the opposite and a case of anything but England in you and your crew confusing the UK registry as something to do with England and in any case I am French.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

It’s ‘our’ union jack, it has the flag of St Andrew in the design. It belongs to both nations, and signifies the union of our nations.

 

[Seastoke]

To the op if you don’t like the royals , I take it you will be working on the coronation BH.

 

[steve yates]

Trolling? James 1st of Scotland and England. But then you knew that

Actually, he was James the 6th of Scotland, and when he took the english crown became James the 1st of England & the 6th of Scotland.

 

[jamie N]

I quite like this flag, and think that it'll suit many here.