PabloPicasso
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Ireland left Britain and the flag of St Patrick continued to be on the union jack. If Scotland left I doubt it would change, it is a recognisable icon.
Ensign?
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LittleSister
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True, but it still has a bit of the island of Ireland, and I was rather thinking that both Scotland and NI might go, and Little Britain ('Lesser Britain'?, 'Not So Great Britain'?) would look a bit silly hanging on to flags of former possessions.
john_morris_uk
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Possessions? It’s a Union. My Welsh bit doesn’t feel owned by the English in any way shape of form.
Harrumph!
KeithMD
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LittleSister
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You raise an intersting, and highly debatable, point, but I shall not rise to the bait. I shall stick firmly to flaggery, in case there's a Mod about!
jamie N
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Some here might have conducted wedding services, and would be shocked were they to learn that only one side of the marriage was allowed to divorce the other, or to even discuss if they really want to.
Having a marriage arranged by one's forebears, without being able to question it, is very common in the 3rd World, I believe.
This was a novel approach to an Orcadian ensign!
awol
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I like the analogy! How about an acrimonious but no-fault divorce where the kids are not allowed to visit the non-custodial parent or have any say in the arrangements?Some here might have conducted wedding services, and would be shocked were they to learn that only one side of the marriage was allowed to divorce the other, or to even discuss if they really want to.
Having a marriage arranged by one's forebears, without being able to question it, is very common in the 3rd World, I believe.
This was a novel approach to an Orcadian ensign!
john_morris_uk
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Thank goodness we live in a civilised society where not only are these marriages openly discussed by all parties represented at national level but the one side was allowed to vote very recently and decided to stay married. The analogy doesn’t really work does it…Some here might have conducted wedding services, and would be shocked were they to learn that only one side of the marriage was allowed to divorce the other, or to even discuss if they really want to.
Having a marriage arranged by one's forebears, without being able to question it, is very common in the 3rd World, I believe.
This was a novel approach to an Orcadian ensign!
Now I’ll stop before this gets any sillier and I have to ban myself from the thread.
awol
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Unfortunately the bullying partner lied, gas-lighted and promised a continuing relationship with the rest of the European family. Coercive behaviour at its worst!
johnalison
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While at the same time keeping it in fags and deep-fried Mars bars.
Chiara’s slave
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We all suffer equally from that, from our politicians of all stripes. I’m sure you have the sympathy of many from south of the border over your current troubles.
KeithMD
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Divorce is never a happy subject. Even worse for the Orcadian and Shetland children. Who (it seems incredible) might prefer to stay with the "abusive" father than with the "abused" mother. Or even go back to their grandmother in Norway. Strange times indeed!
Shetland looks at independence from Scotland
Shetland ensign
Shetland looks at independence from Scotland
Shetland ensign
ylop
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The analogy works perfectly. Having had some doubts over the marriage but decided to stay, is the partner then bound to that for life or can they reconsider at any time?
john_morris_uk
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Partners can always reconsider but they can’t keep demanding votes because they disagreed with the previous result. I note that the English don’t get any devolved assembly or parliament. Other parts of the union get represented at local and national level.
Can we get back to ensigns please.
Chiara’s slave
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I’ll be having lunch with a Shetlander tomorrow. Heks certainly in favour of the father, and regards the mother as, well, lets not go there. His boat doesnkt wear a Shetland ensign, he flies the blue, undefaced.
ylop
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That makes no sense. Your wife can reconsider her decision to put up with you but only when you decide she can? She might be better off with you that without. She might really upset you by raising the issue every few years. She might be wrong that you didn’t change like you promised. She might be crazy to leave. But surely nobody thinks she should be prevented from asking herself if the relationship is still working as often as she wishes (and of course if she does that every week and pissed you off in the process there’s nothing to stop you asking yourself if you would be better off going it alone).
I can assure you that nobody in Scotland (Wales or NI) is stopping England (or regions of England) from having devolved government. Fans of the Union should be lobbying their political leaders for this because it’s the one thing that might just reverse the direction of travel.
Surely there is nothing more to possibly write about them?
KeithMD
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Is there a doctor in the house?
MADRIGAL
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Of course he would expect it to be white. Isn't that what King George V, Rodney, and Co. wore when the Bismarck was sunk?
Dave 71
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A bit late to this and at the risk of pedantry, but going back to the OPs original post and anti royal sentiment, the Scots Ensign is no less royal than a British one, being used by the Royal Scottish Navy up until 1607. The Saltire was then combined with the St George's Cross to create a flag that represented the King's personal union of two kingdoms under James VI of Scotland I of England and the ensign of both kingdoms national ships changed accordingly as they now all 'belonged' to the same king and needed to recognise each other as friend (LoL!)
The current flag represents both and records a long and rich history.
