Enforcement in marinas.

[MinorSwing]

Re: Enforcement in marinas

The entrance to T&K Marina is in serious need of dredging. Do you think that the EA will carry out that service as they claim jurisdiction over the water? I doubt it. I pay my licence BTW, but that's because I spend a lot of time on the river.

 

[No Regrets]

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Christ. Like anybody gives a monkeys!?

Seriously people. If you have a boat, use it and pay for it. If you don't use it....Get a caravan, and clear the space for Boaters.

Some people appear to be missing the point. Boats are not supposed to be tethered to a berth 365 days, they were designed for going up and down stretches of water. There are only so many berths in a Marina, so why would anybody want to take up these spaces with immovable objects!? I just don't get it!?

While you may argue 'I have the funds, and I can do what I want with them' there are many cases which would blight your own life that I could apply these to. For example: I will buy a great big Motorhome and park it in front of your bungalow in Surrey. You may hate it, but I am 'entitled' to it, because I'm a bit of a pratt, just like you are.

If you have a boat, and you don't want to use it: get a life ;-)

 

[No Regrets]

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PS. You may find the contents of my post a little offensive.

 

[No Regrets]

PPS. The emoticon ability of this forum is quite pathetic... :nonchalance:

 

[apollo]

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Christ. Like anybody gives a monkeys!?

Seriously people. If you have a boat, use it and pay for it. If you don't use it....Get a caravan, and clear the space for Boaters.
I will buy a great big Motorhome and park it in front of your bungalow in Surrey. You may hate it, but I am 'entitled' to it, because I'm a bit of a pratt, just like you are.

Nail on the head dude!!

 

[savageseadog]

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As far as the case is concerned I believe the judge has turned upside down the Thames Conservancy Act 1932 with its definition of the Thames. Yes , it may be outdated but I find it hard to believe that its purpose and intent is not clear.

It matters not one jot what the "purpose" or "intent" of the Act is, it's what the Law actually says that matters, no Law is "outdated" until it's replaced by newer legislation. Perhaps you expect the Judge to try the case on the basis her verdict will be correct at some future time? perhaps you want the Judge to take into account the phase of the moon as it wasn't thought of when the legislation was drafted?

 

[Actionmat]

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I'm finding it very hard to disagree with No Regrets on this one and eagerly await the response of the OP and his new recruits. :encouragement:

 

[N69]

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Christ. Like anybody gives a monkeys!?

Lose the argument and so lose your temper!
Another 'right wing' river fascist .
Who are you to tell other people how to live their lives and how to use thier boats?

So thrilled your 'true nature' is exposed through your inability to control yourself.

Lets see how many others, along with Apollo, are able to support Government led extortion and deception to pay for their bills.

Your comments are pathetic rather than offensive!
Control your 'emoticon' and think of someone else rather than yourself!

 

[JumbleDuck]

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Seriously people. If you have a boat, use it and pay for it. If you don't use it....Get a caravan, and clear the space for Boaters.

People "use" boats in many, many different ways and it is not up to any of us to judge how anyone chooses to enjoy his or her boat.

What about all those people who buy sea-going boats but spend all their time trundling up and down rivers at walking speed? Should they, too, get a life, put their boats in the water for which they were designed and leave the rivers to the rowers and punts?

 

[534l4rk]

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Like anybody gives a monkeys!?

What surprises me on this posting is the strong support for taking the action further. Aside from the registration dispute I have posted previously that I suspected that I knew why some wished to suppress TT_WO. It appeared to me that the postings could open a Pandora’s box. Many boaters did not appear to appreciate that were the adjacent waters marinas to be charged for accommodations those boaters within these marinas would end up having to pay more.

Does anyone know exactly how much has been spent since the 2010 IWO bringing in this action ?. I would also like to know what the expected costs for further action are likely to be ?

 

[N69]

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Well said Jumble Duck!!!

'Silence' from 'No Regrets' (other than 'Christ, no one gives a monkeys!!' - very offensive to the 23 victims charged by the EA !) 'Apollo', 'boatone', 'actionmat'. 'oldgit', 'chris_d' et al who have attacked and ignored the logic of TT_WO for years!!!!!!

Come on folks - have the 'guts' to join in now that you have been exposed for what you are!!! (Apologists for 'state sponsored extortion', bullying and intimiadtaion

Have some 'guts' to apologise - you got this completely WRONG!!!!

N69

 

[TT_WO]

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Christ. Like anybody gives a monkeys!?

Seriously people. If you have a boat, use it and pay for it. If you don't use it....Get a caravan, and clear the space for Boaters.

Some people appear to be missing the point. Boats are not supposed to be tethered to a berth 365 days, they were designed for going up and down stretches of water. There are only so many berths in a Marina, so why would anybody want to take up these spaces with immovable objects!? I just don't get it!?

While you may argue 'I have the funds, and I can do what I want with them' there are many cases which would blight your own life that I could apply these to. For example: I will buy a great big Motorhome and park it in front of your bungalow in Surrey. You may hate it, but I am 'entitled' to it, because I'm a bit of a pratt, just like you are.

If you have a boat, and you don't want to use it: get a life ;-)

In previous threads I have given several reasons why boats may remain unused, ill health, working abroad, engine failure and restoration, spring to mind along with of course static residential use.

I don't get why you always have felt so incensed by the fact that these owners do not, or are unable, for whatever reason, to use their boats the way you do. You clearly get very good value from both your boat and your registration, you are entitled to congratulate yourself but what gives you the right to tell others what they should / should not do. It just serves to divert attention from the issue.

It would be different if these boat owners were in any way spoiling your enjoyment by using your favorite mooring, making you queue longer for the lock, pump out, water point etc, but of course they are not.

To quote your earlier contribution to this thread;

"The court has spoken, and although I have no personal issue with either side (Apart from Ian and Tony, who both well know why!) but this result has simply shows the boundary of the EA's jurisdiction, which is the River, not everything it touches.

As much as I like the EA, they cannot assume total command over everything, as that would be silly ..."

I prefer that No Regrets!

 

[TT_WO]

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What surprises me on this posting is the strong support for taking the action further. Aside from the registration dispute I have posted previously that I suspected that I knew why some wished to suppress TT_WO. It appeared to me that the postings could open a Pandora’s box. Many boaters did not appear to appreciate that were the adjacent waters marinas to be charged for accommodations those boaters within these marinas would end up having to pay more.

Does anyone know exactly how much has been spent since the 2010 IWO bringing in this action ?. I would also like to know what the expected costs for further action are likely to be ?

I am glad that you have picked up on the accommodations. I have always argued that the fact that the EA do not charge for off channel accommodations is a clear indication that they have no legal right to do so. The original draft order, had it been adopted, would not have enabled the EA to charge for them as it would only have required registration of boats kept in adjacent water marinas. When this was denied and the EA decided to claim that the marinas were part of the Thames and not adjacent waters then all of the Thames legislation including charging for accommodations would have become enforceable.

Penton Hook marina only pays for one pontoon, the visitors pontoon outside the marina on the Thames this costs £1093 per annum. The pontoons inside for some 650 boats would represent 10's of thousands of pounds of cost to the marina / berth holder.

The costs for these prosecutions alone are approaching the £60,000 mark. Since 2010 the EA have needed to fund the enforcement team, other prosecutions, QC's opinions etc, these cost pale into insignificance compared with the millions spent on the TWO/IWO legislation which took 6 years from initial presentation to it's adoption. You could probably double that time if you include the time for preparation to presentation.

Apart from being denied the adjacent waters legislation they were also denied the legislation that would allow for registration to be charged on boats merely 'kept' as opposed to used/ navigating the Thames. Had not the EA somehow managed to get this part of the legislation reinstated the benefit of the IWO would have been reduced to BSS on the Medway and TP insurance on waterways like the Thames where it was not a requirement before.

 

[byron]

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PLEASE TAKE NOTE.

I am distinctly unhappy about the way this thread is developing. I will not tolerate insults of any party so beware. I am quite liable to strike out messages that I consider to be unsuitable. Any really over the top comments could result in a person getting a ban for a period. Any ban here will include every other Forum owned by YBW.
Keep it clean, keep it nice.

 

[Flynnbarr]

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What would happen if every boat came out to play?Blimey,it would be carnage!
I don't think the infrastructure or blood pressure of some on here would cope
Imagine the moaning if John Doe of the local cruising club could never moor on his favourite weekend spots

 

[apollo]

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In previous threads I have given several reasons why boats may remain unused, ill health, working abroad, engine failure and restoration, spring to mind along with of course static residential use.
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I dont get it, and this is a very simple honest question without bullying - for all these reasons above - why can they not put the boat on the hardstanding?

 

[Flynnbarr]

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I dont get it, and this is a very simple honest question without bullying - for all these reasons above - why can they not put the boat on the hardstanding?

Why should they?
It's called Freedom of choice,I think we still have some freedoms in this country to do what we want within reason and as long as we stay within the law.
I know of someone who lives on a Broom Crown,never turns a screw from one year to the next.Suits him,wouldn't suit you.He would think re powering his boat would be crazy.You probably can't wait and the very best of luck to you.
I happen to think both scenarios are nothing to do with me

 

[534l4rk]

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I am glad that you have picked up on the accommodations. I have always argued that the fact that the EA do not charge for off channel accommodations is a clear indication that they have no legal right to do so.
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Perhaps this has been the hidden agenda from the start ?

 

[apollo]

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Suits him,wouldn't suit you.

what makes you so sure? dont make assumptions.

it is everything to do with you and me (even tho i don't give a toss about folks lifestyles), the end result will effect all of us one way or the other.

If EA either doesn't appeal or appeals and loses, they will either a) go bust b) reduce the service even more or c) put the prices up even more than they would have done. or combination
They could even sulk and cordon off the bits they do manage from those they have now been told they dont or even just let them silt up (most likely). If i moored in PH i would be thinking of moving.
Wont affect those with no license but major P.I.T.A for the majority.
If the EA appeals and wins and then goes for the accommodations, guess what, the marina will stuff the prices up for everyone.

Its no different from John Doe jumping the queue in the post office, yes there is no law against it, and John is very smug at being so clever but all the other folks will think he is a .....

 

[JumbleDuck]

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I dont get it, and this is a very simple honest question without bullying - for all these reasons above - why can they not put the boat on the hardstanding?

What's demand like for these marinas? Where I used to keep my boat - on a river, but a salty one - the waiting list was so long that if you stopped paying for a berth and took your boat out the water it's is unlikely that you'd ever get a place again. Seriously, fifty year waiting list. When I had my boat out for two years to do work on her I had to pay for the berth and the storage ashore ...