Endurance 35?

[Tim Good]

Does anyone know much of those boats? The hull and displacement would suggest very seaworthy.

Any experiences?

http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Endurance_35-1011018.html/

 

[Tranona]

They are just how they look. Steady, sturdy and comfortable. Were very popular in their day for dreamers as they were mostly home built of ferro, although some were built on hulls from Windboats. Inevitably though that means hige variations in quality of construction and fitout with price range to match. The one in the ad will be near top of the range, but you can get them for very little money. some later boats were built with GRP hulls. Despite their physical size, rather cramped down below compared with more modern designs. The 40' version, although not so common is a much bigger boat and better in every way for more than 2 people.

If you are restricting yourself to a 35' or lower end of the price range arguably there are other better boats of the type for the money, such as a Voyager 35. As an aside ferro boats of doubtful provenance are very difficult to insure, although a Windboats hull and good history and survey will probably be OK.

 

[alant]

Does anyone know much of those boats? The hull and displacement would suggest very seaworthy.

Any experiences?

http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Endurance_35-1011018.html/

This might help http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/endurance-35/endurance-35.htm

Few for sale on this site for comparison - http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/category/type/Endurance

 

[robmcg]

Does anyone know much of those boats? The hull and displacement would suggest very seaworthy.

Any experiences?

http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Endurance_35-1011018.html/

Not one of the nicer Endurance's that I have seen. On for quite a lot of money too. Still a lovely shape though, although personally I would change the red trim to blue.

 

[Sybarite]

They are just how they look. Steady, sturdy and comfortable. Were very popular in their day for dreamers as they were mostly home built of ferro, although some were built on hulls from Windboats. Inevitably though that means hige variations in quality of construction and fitout with price range to match. The one in the ad will be near top of the range, but you can get them for very little money. some later boats were built with GRP hulls. Despite their physical size, rather cramped down below compared with more modern designs. The 40' version, although not so common is a much bigger boat and better in every way for more than 2 people.

If you are restricting yourself to a 35' or lower end of the price range arguably there are other better boats of the type for the money, such as a Voyager 35. As an aside ferro boats of doubtful provenance are very difficult to insure, although a Windboats hull and good history and survey will probably be OK.

This one though is GRP built by Stratimer.

 

[rptb1]

I liked the shape and deck plan of the Endurance, and so I looked at dozens of them in the past ten years, thinking of long distance cruising and living aboard. I've only seen one with a decent interior, and that was "Peel Piper", at Hamble I think.



I still love the lines, but I reckon you'll have a project with most of them.

 

[maxi]

Nice to look at certainly, but a tad cramped below & with a short waterline and long overhangs, they are somewhat slow and are very fond of pitching.

Watch out for water tanks that use the hull as one/two sides of the tank, often prone to osmosis from the inside out.

Also, adding circa 1 ton to the bottom of the keel really helps with performance.

 

[Marsupial]

I liked the shape and deck plan of the Endurance, and so I looked at dozens of them in the past ten years, thinking of long distance cruising and living aboard. I've only seen one with a decent interior, and that was "Peel Piper", at Hamble I think.

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I still love the lines, but I reckon you'll have a project with most of them.

+1 the design does not work well until you get to around 45ft and many were home builds hence the ongoing project comment, what ever the size you may still find that you are unable to see ahead unless you are standing up, the Colvic Endurance 38 in particular was like that. They can trip over their keels so you have be a bit careful in a seaway. Very good looking though.

 

[TiggerToo]

They can trip over their keels so you have be a bit careful in a seaway..

what does that mean?

 

[Champagne Murphy]

Pitchpole?

 

[robmcg]

Not sure why it would be more prone to pitch poling or tripping over its keel than other designs. I would be inclined to say that would indicate an issue with ballast distribution.

 

[sailorman]

Not sure why it would be more prone to pitch poling or tripping over its keel than other designs. I would be inclined to say that would indicate an issue with ballast distribution.

Long overhang up forrard

 

[robmcg]

Long overhang up forrard

Doesn't seem like a favourable characteristic for a boat that was designed for (and won a competition for) singlehanded sailing around the world by the difficult route Mind you I bet most of them have not seen the type of seas that would make it a problem!

 

[Marsupial]

what does that mean?

like many long keel boats they don't slide down the side of a large wave, the keel digs in and the boat rolls over. It "trips over its keel"

 

[TiggerToo]

like many long keel boats they don't slide down the side of a large wave, the keel digs in and the boat rolls over. It "trips over its keel"

aha! that negates all the stuff people write about long keels being the bees' knees for long distance / high seas cruising, then.

 

[Tranona]

aha! that negates all the stuff people write about long keels being the bees' knees for long distance / high seas cruising, then.

Such arguments are not new. Read Miles Smeeton for good descriptions of what happens when a heavy long keel boat trips over its keel. He was something of an expert as it happened to him twice. Then read Maurice Griffiths on why shallow draft buoyant boats ride the waves better.

However such events usually only occur in extreme conditions, and as few sensible people are out in such conditions, the amount of empirical evidence from which to draw any definitive conclusion is small and you can find examples that support both arguments.

 

[robmcg]

Bit of a Job's choice then. Long keeled that won't surf so could pitch pole v light weight that may broach spectacularly and wipe you out.

 

[Tranona]

Bit of a Job's choice then. Long keeled that won't surf so could pitch pole v light weight that may broach spectacularly and wipe you out.

Yes - bit like bees and flying. None of the boats used by thousands of folks to go offshore should be doing it!

 

[Tim Good]

Yes - bit like bees and flying. None of the boats used by thousands of folks to go offshore should be doing it!

Given the choice what would you perfect offshore boat / shape be?

 

[SteveSarabande]

I just been on one. I didn't like the layout. One double cabin forward of the saloon. But to get to the forepeaK cabin and the heads you need to go via the main cabin, no privacy for those sleeping there.