Do i need an icc for the netherlands?

[rich201283]

Hi
Im planning a trip to holland shortly, Do i need an icc. I am not planning to use the canal systems and i dont really have time to do the course before i go?

Regards Lee

 

[Gunfleet]

Do you have a day skipper practical cert? Because the RYA will issue an ICC against one.

 

[sailorman]

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[rich201283]

Nah dont have a day skippers either so cant get an icc. I have did quite a bit of sailing but not really felt the need to do these courses.
I genrally travel with someone with quite a bit of exsperience but he hasnt got one either.
The boat is a ufo 34.
Really looking forward t this trip but it all boils down to this ICC.
Need to find out if i can still go without?
Regards Lee

 

[sailorman]

do a " search " on the forum

 

[VicMallows]

No you don't, as long as you are British flaged. You may well need to show the boat is registered (Part1 or SSR). As already said, numerous previous posts on topic.

Vic

 

[PeterGibbs]

It is highly unlikely you will be asked by customs and immigration to show an ICC.

But if you were involved with the police in any way - whosoever's fault it were - it would stand against you that you had no formal training/quals/paperwork. Almost all Dutch skippers/nationals will have have undertaken proveable training of one kind or another.

Just take it easy over there, and do not attract attention to yourself by drinking at the wheel.

PWG

 

[cliff]

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[sailorman]

just filled up last w/e

 

[R32Stbrigid]

In contradiction with earlier advice given, I believe you DO. For the final word I would check with the RYA, but you certainly do in the rest of europe now. Un likely to be asked for it, but heavily penalised if you dont have one. I have been boarded in Holland several times, once requiring sight of my papers .....

 

[raquet]

I have just checked my RYA 'Foreign Cruising' which agrees with you that the Netherlands does require formal certificates. My copy of the booklet was bought last year but seems to be dated 2002 - if it is out of date the likelihood is that more rather than less documentation is required. The same booklet says that France does not require a certificate – I certainly hope that is the case!

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

Based on other threads I would avoid Holland for the time being.

 

[pheran]

My understanding is that, in common with many other European countries, you do not need an ICC to enter Dutch coastal waters. This extends to coastal ports/harbours as well. BUT... if you intend to enter the inland waterway system at all, you most certainly do need an ICC and may well be asked for it, more so at the moment with the 'problems' over red diesel. France is even hotter on compliance on inland waters.
Where are you going to in Holland? You say you will not be using the canal system (and may therefore be OK without an ICC) but the Dutch coast doesn't offer very much unless you go way up north, around the Friesian Islands.

 

[pheran]

[ QUOTE ]
Based on other threads I would avoid Holland for the time being

[/ QUOTE ] Couldn't agree more. I tend to enjoy a degree of favourable celebrity as an Englishman afloat in Holland. I wouldn't want that diluted by an overrun of others Brits. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[nlawley]

I am living in Holand and I don't have an ICC and also I cruise in France and Spain. Holand is well worth a trip.

 

[pheran]

I can only say I hope your luck holds. The Dutch are a wonderfully laid-back race but their success in this respect is in part dependent on an expectation that everyone will obey the rules. So knowing the requirements but not following them is often regarded as an equal or greater 'sin' than the offence itself. The French are totally differently motivated of course.

 

[pheran]

I should have pointed out your ICC will also need the CEVNI endorsement for inland waterways if venturing inland in Europe.

 

[aluijten]

Being a Dutchie myself I can only tell you that the official rules in Holland are that if you are on a boat that is either longer than 15 metres OR is capable of speeds in excess of 20 Km/hr you are required to have a 'Vaarbewijs'. There are two versions, an inland and a coastal one. In Holland a 'Vaarbewijs' entitles you to have a ICC

I think a proof of ownership would more clever to carry when your boat does not exceed the limits mentioned above. And if you are carrying red diesel, make sure you have a recent receipt for this to prove you bought it in the UK. Do not bring the stuff in jerry cans, only in your normal fuel tank.

Arno

 

[rich201283]

Hi
Just had responce from th rya

Thank you for your email regarding the International Certificate of
Competence. For a UK Regsitered vessel visiting the Netherlands the ICC
is only required on the Inland Waters if your vessel is longer than 15m
or capable of more than 11knts.

I hope I have been of some assistance to you and please do not hesitate
to contact me regarding any further queries you may have.

 

[kengill]

You must have an ICC which is endorsed for the CEVNI regulations. Each person who takes the helm, once you are past the first lock or bridge, must have a CEVNI endorsed ICC.

Check with the RYA or ring up the Dutch. You must also have proof of the yacht's VAT status, the certificate of registration, Three copies of the Shengen crew list on the officialy approved layout , insurance certificate and , the original receipts for the red diesel in your tank.

Do not go without every last piece of paper stated above, or otherwise have a very deep wallet for the large number of fines you will have to pay. We were boarded last year and they even checked each individual passport to check they had the right number of pages etc.