Cruising Association and Robin KJ wade into the Schengen 90/180 day problem.

Yes, they've been had... as the saying goes.

Here's a question: when we had the referendum to join the EEC in the early 1970s were ex-pat British citizens allowed to vote?
Small point of order that it wasnt a vote to join but whether to leave at that early stage having already joined :)
 
Well, I couldnt be more dispappointed at my fellow sailors (or those that really are, and not just stirring :) ).

It is a great idea that we reciprocate on the six months for sailing, and I cant imagine what there is, not to like. If you dont want to go cruising in Europe, this is of course fine, but for goodness sake support those that might or do!

I have nothing more to say.
 
Yes, they've been had... as the saying goes.

Here's a question: when we had the referendum to join the EEC in the early 1970s were ex-pat British citizens allowed to vote?
For clarity; the people you refer to as "British ex-pat " they are actually "British Immigrants" or "British migrants"
 
Many people are peed off because the 90/180 days, they have to apply for residency, register for tax, change car arrangements, change driving licence, rearrange car insurance, rearrange healthcare, tax/vat issues, all of these at a cost and inconvenience. Not what they voted for, they only wanted to stop EU immigration to UK, not stopping them living in Spain, France, Portugal, Greece, Italy......
 
Many people are peed off because the 90/180 days, they have to apply for residency, register for tax, change car arrangements, change driving licence, rearrange car insurance, rearrange healthcare, tax/vat issues, all of these at a cost and inconvenience. Not what they voted for, they only wanted to stop EU immigration to UK, not stopping them living in Spain, France, Portugal, Greece, Italy......

It seems to me not many people really thought it through very well when they voted to leave.
It is only to be expected that the UK is treated like any other non EU country.
 
I'm under the impression that the EU has plenty of the astra zeneca vaccine but no one wants it since a few EU countries said it was no good; which is now being proved incorrect. If they can't use it they can pass it on to other countries who will happily use it.
According to my German relatives, nobody (take that with a pinch of salt) there will take the AstraZeneca vaccine, including medical staff who have publicly turned it down. Don't blame 'em, really, since its demonstrated effectiveness is only 65% or so again boring old COVID and 14% against new exciting South African COVID.

I'm getting my first shot next week and I really hope it's Pfizer. I expect AZ, though.
 
According to my German relatives, nobody (take that with a pinch of salt) there will take the AstraZeneca vaccine, including medical staff who have publicly turned it down. Don't blame 'em, really, since its demonstrated effectiveness is only 65% or so again boring old COVID and 14% against new exciting South African COVID.

I'm getting my first shot next week and I really hope it's Pfizer. I expect AZ, though.
I had heard that the real effectiveness of the AZ was up with Pfizer and that it was performing better than the tests. I will be happy with any UK approved vacine and I think I know which one will be the default of the NHS once it has quietened down.
 
... My next question is this: Have we all been had?

No! There may have been un-truths and assumptions made to influence voters, but the referendum was not rigged, the range of outcomes could have been deduced, the players who supported possible outcomes could be identified, therefore everyone had the ability to make a judgment before they cast their vote.

The 90/180 rule was always a possible outcome. It is unfair considering the UK's rule for visitors from the EU, but I can't see it being an issue for the majority. Many are more interested in the immediate future, debt and job security. The fan is spinning fast and there are rumblings in the guts.

I think the CA has every right to support this and promote a review and campaign for equivalence. I feel that a joint effort should somehow be made between all sorts of agencies to convince the government to have a review and request discussions with the EU. Good luck to them.
 
I thought that thinking didn't have much to do with it. More about reading the sides of buses and an emotional response to fuzzy ideas of sovereignty ...


FWIW, the business I work in took a double pasting from Brexit and the bat flu. A bit irritating having voted remain!

Left with a pile of pointless hoops to access our European clients.

But then - at least for large tracts of technology and finance - the skies parted and it's working pretty well. Moreover, we encounter none of this nationalistic ya boo stuff in daily interactions with or EU clients and suppliers. And we can easily/very easily hire in the EU.

It'll all be fine in the end, including the 90/180 rule IMHO. That is when the posturing politicians give way to pragmatism and commerce.
 
According to my German relatives, nobody (take that with a pinch of salt) there will take the AstraZeneca vaccine, including medical staff who have publicly turned it down. Don't blame 'em, really, since its demonstrated effectiveness is only 65% or so again boring old COVID and 14% against new exciting South African COVID.

I'm getting my first shot next week and I really hope it's Pfizer. I expect AZ, though.
Yup. That is an opinion from Germany, where the AstraZeneca vaccine hasn't been approved in those over age 65. Angela Merkel has said she isn't allowed to receive it, so won't be.
Younger patients are receiving the AZ vaccine, but I don't know how many.
Angela Merkel refused AstraZeneca Covid vaccine as 1.4m doses left unused

I had heard that the real effectiveness of the AZ was up with Pfizer and that it was performing better than the tests. I will be happy with any UK approved vacine and I think I know which one will be the default of the NHS once it has quietened down.
The cheapest one, probably.
 
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I thought that thinking didn't have much to do with it. More about reading the sides of buses and an emotional response to fuzzy ideas of sovereignty ...
Or it just might have been due to the huge amount of inaccurate predictions of doom and gloom and the failure to articulate how remaining might provide a better future for the majority of the voters.
 
According to the RYA, the EU offered a better deal, the UK refused it. They offered 6 months visa free for all UK citizens if the UK reciprocated.

I'm aware that the term 'tragic' is over-used in lots of contexts (e.g. losing a match of football), but in this case it seems entirely appropriate.
 
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