courtesy flag for Scotland and Ireland

[Ubergeekian]

Perhaps then it's best to stick to the official etiquette

I think "official etiquette" is a contradiction in terms. The officials things are rules, regulations and laws. Etiquette is merely custom and habit. As has been discussed in the thread about the MCA official and the half-mast ensign, there ain't a word in the Merchant Shipping Act about etiquette.

 

[Quandary]

No worries....the national drink of NI is Buckfast Fortified Wine..IMHO

Naw, you'l not be able to get your Buckie in NI, it all goes to Glasgow and the Central Belt, the recognized substitute is cider or meths. (or both).
However the Green Glens of Antrim produce a spirit known as 'the cratur' (poteen, but you must not ask for that), a fine clear spirit with all the qualities of strong whiskey except the age. A 'drop of the cratur' is about a lemonade bottle full.

 

[bastonjock]

i worked at Langs bottling plant in Glasgow,we were refitting the plant,my cousin who was a welder and had to weld pipes and stuff,discovered that if you slackened off the flange bolts a clear liquid descended in to an appropriate container,the stuff was 140 proof raw whisky.

You had to cut it 50/50 with water,it was rocket fuel,it did the buisiness tho.

I do not believe in Nationalisim,however i am a patriotic scot i think that Alex salmond is a closet commie.Untill the rules are officially changed i will only fly the red duster in the UK,s waters,however i feel that the Welsh have an argument for flying the St davids flag alongside as there is no welsh flag in the Union Jack

 

[Danny Jo]

I think "official etiquette" is a contradiction in terms. The officials things are rules, regulations and laws. Etiquette is merely custom and habit. As has been discussed in the thread about the MCA official and the half-mast ensign, there ain't a word in the Merchant Shipping Act about etiquette.

Good point. Etiquette, like language, evolves over time. This creates tension between traditionalists (aka pedants) and innovators (aka illiterate rebels). Arguments between the two groups are an exercise in futility - just like the last 5 hours I've spent taking the autopilot controller to pieces in search of a cure for a defunct hand control, only to find evidence that the version currently marketed won't interface with the autopilot control.

 

[Searush]

(snip)
however i feel that the Welsh have an argument for flying the St davids flag alongside as there is no welsh flag in the Union Jack

But Wales is a Principality not a country. It was conquered about 800 years ago. Scotland has always been a seperate country, with a seperate King until James 1st (of England) also became King of England.

Not sure about the St David's flag, most fly Y Draig Goch (the banner of Cadwaladr - and the Tudors).

St David's Flag

Y Draig Goch (The Red Dragon)

 

[Jaytac]

If flying a symbol that may cause offence by backing one group over another as a free choice (ie not as a legal requirement) then have to accept the consequences of making your political statement.

According to the polls even in Scotland their are way more Unionists than Independence seekers - but in Scotland that may simply mean they overcook your deep fried mars bar , in other parts the consequences may differ.

In Britain the use of flags is largely ceremonial, decorative or seen as harmless fun. In other parts they are recognised for what they are - tribal and political symbols of allegiance and markers of territory. Insecure foreigners? maybe - but sometimes also rather sensitive.........

 

[Sans Bateau]

By the way guys.......



....sorry I asked!!

 

[snowleopard]

If flying a symbol that may cause offence by backing one group over another as a free choice (ie not as a legal requirement) then have to accept the consequences of making your political statement.

One problem is that you may mean one thing by your use of a flag but others may interpret it in quite a different way. A Scot may fly a saltire or ensign containing a saltire meaning 'I am proud to be Scots' but he has no control over others who may see it as saying 'I am against the union' or worse.

 

[snowleopard]

I think "official etiquette" is a contradiction in terms. The officials things are rules, regulations and laws. Etiquette is merely custom and habit. As has been discussed in the thread about the MCA official and the half-mast ensign, there ain't a word in the Merchant Shipping Act about etiquette.

'Official' doesn't have to mean 'by law'.

Standard international practice is to fly the ensign of the country in which a vessel is registered and the maritime ensign of the country in whose territorial waters you are currently. In many parts of the world you will give offence or worse if you fail to obey that custom.

For a UK registered vessel operating in British waters, no courtesy flag is required.

 

[EuanMcKenzie]

bottling whisky

its generally warehoused in the central belt till its matured, then bottled as a single malt or blended depending on the recipe.

Diageo bottle Malts in Leven and grains in Glasgow. The're closing Kilmarnock bottling plant home of Johnie Walker - small kerfuffle you may have seen on the news

Edrington, Chivas, Allied, Grants all Glasgowish bottling factories

Glenfiddich is bottled up North I think

Incedently most of the London gin is made and bottled up here too.

Still worth a trip round a distillery to enjoy the experience.

re flags - couldn't give a monkees - red duster is standard if we remember - we're all the same country

Hospitality - happens anyway - no special rules

Re nationalists - not a fan

 

[aquaholic]

I get sick and tired of all this nationalist codswallop at times, only fly the duster, unless you are in foreign waters, then have the required courtesy flag.
It maybe polite to do this or that......what a load of nonsense, next thing you know we will be flying different flags for each county we pass along the coast just to keep some moronick anal retentive happy!



rant over

 

[Ubergeekian]

I get sick and tired of all this nationalist codswallop at times, only fly the duster, unless you are in foreign waters, then have the required courtesy flag.
It maybe polite to do this or that......what a load of nonsense, next thing you know we will be flying different flags for each county we pass along the coast just to keep some moronick anal retentive happy!

You are, of course, welcome to fly or not fly whatever flags you want. It's entirely your choice (subject to whatever laws you wish to heed) and I would never dream of telling you what to do.

 

[Porthandbuoy]

Seriously now.

I'll be cruising up the western Isles this summer with an American friend. Would it be appropriate to fly the stars and stripes from the port spreader.
Reason being he might be interested to meet any other septics fortunate enough to be cruising in that part of the world.

 

[snooks]

its generally warehoused in the central belt till its matured, then bottled as a single malt or blended depending on the recipe.

I love a good generalisation

If you're talking blended whisky (and the output from mothballed distilleries) you're correct, it's mostly bought and matured in a number of bonded warehouses between and around Glasgow and Edinburgh.

If you're talking single malts, of distilleries still in production, they mostly have their own warehouses on site or near the distilleries.

Warehouses can vary from distillery to distillery and even vary within the distillery. From mud floored, wooden framed buildings, to concrete industrial warehouses where whisky matures in cubes of barrels resting end to end on top of each other.

Glenfiddich is bottled up North I think

Glenfiddich is bottled on site

 

[Quandary]

I love a good generalisation




Glenfiddich is bottled on site

'On site' is 'up north', Glenfiddich is not an island (or coastal) malt so not recommended for proper sailors.

More thorough research reveals that Bruichladdich is the only Islay distillery to bottle its output on site, they have been independent since reopening, previously American owned (Jim Beam I recall), most of the Diageo output goes for blending/ bottling off the Island, There is a new small farm style distillery (Kilchoman) started but they are only selling clear spirit while they await maturity.
Amazing what you learn on here!

 

[Jamesuk]

If you like your flags then fly them, Just dont put the Q flag above the courtesy flags.

 

[snooks]

'On site' is 'up north', Glenfiddich is not an island (or coastal) malt so not recommended for proper sailors.

I was just clarifying....I wouldn't recommend Glenfiddich to anyone Balvenie on the otherhand

Anyway, on our trip up north, we hope to make it to Lossiemouth....then the whole of Speyside is within reach

Bus to Elgin, another one to Rothes or Craigellachie

Tee...hic!...Heeee



We're already planning a list of places, from Springbank to Old Pulteney and onto Speyside

 

[Searush]

(snip)....I wouldn't recommend Glenfiddich to anyone (snip)

I'm a bit of a Whisky snob too, and consider Glenfiddich to be too "subtle" (read as insipid) for my taste. However, I would recommend it as a first taster whisky for the complete novice.

My good lady had an aversion to Scotch following an unfortunate event at a 21st party many moons ago. She was eventually persuaded by a friend to try Glenfiddich as a "quality" single malt. She enjoyed it & was able to understand the difference between it & a typical blend. Over the years her taste has matured and she now enjoys my collection with me and particularly enjoys the stronger flavours like Laphroaig.

 

[Heckler]

One problem is that you may mean one thing by your use of a flag but others may interpret it in quite a different way. A Scot may fly a saltire or ensign containing a saltire meaning 'I am proud to be Scots' but he has no control over others who may see it as saying 'I am against the union' or worse.

Was in Algeria in the 70s, working. Had a base cap in Blida, mobile homes. The American wives would put on a BBQ now and again and beer etc. We were of all nationalities, including some Jocks and Southern Irish. Any way, music on, feeling good when there was an almighty hoo haa, one of the jocks had got the ump, well bladdered and he was going on about "rebel" music!! Turns out that what I and the American wives (and everyone else!) had thought was "nice" Irish jigging music was what he called fekkin rebel music and it made him want to fight!
******! it was then that I realised how stupid the various nationalist factions were!
Stu

 

[Quandary]

Primitive neighbours?

Here we go, suppose it is an achievement to get so far on this thread before we got back down to this level.
Perhaps like my nephew he had had to go collect the limbless torso of his mother off the street?