Costa Concordia (Titanic 2012)

[ProDave]

The report on the BBC news suggests the "bang" happened 45 minutes earlier.

Then the ship changed course towards the island.

then at the last minute it listed very quickly.

So the "incident" at sea was probably not the cause of her being holed? that probably happened squeezing between the islets?

 

[Kukri]

Ah well! that makes it OK then. Perhaps we should shorten the wings on B747s to save fuel and get more pax aboard

But they are shortened on the 747-400! That's what the tip fences are for - so airports didn't need to build new gates!

(Sorry, used to work for a company that had 747s and a cruise ship)

 

[Kukri]

There should be enough pics on internet to find one with anchor chain down

Hawsepipe is under water.

 

[photodog]

Here is a night shot that shows the stbd bow with the hawse pipe...

Day shots...

I dont think that helps though... I cant see any chain from the bow..

 

[Seajet]

But they are shortened on the 747-400! That's what the tip fences are for - so airports didn't need to build new gates!

(Sorry, used to work for a company that had 747s and a cruise ship)

Are you sure ? Winglets are a relatively minor add-on to preserve flow over the wing rather than it going off the end, pretty sure the 747-400 retains the same wing as earlier models; it was the Airbus A380 which prompted talk of new gates etc.

Back to disasters at sea...

 

[nigel1]

Do ships such as this have a remote control of the anchor from the bridge ?

The more I think about it, the less I believe that one.

Been on a few anchor handling tugs with ability to let go and recover anchors by bridge control. Sea lashings have to be removed prior to being of any use

 

[Seajet]

Nigel1,

what do you think of this story re. dropping & turning on the anchor then ?

Doesn't really sound a go-er to me, more like 'I wish I could have'...?

 

[Kukri]

Turning on an anchor is a routine manoeuvre, very regularly used in Italian ports, and I would expect the crew to be extremely familiar with it. You could not do it until you had wiped some speed off, but that would be happening in the minutes needed to let go.

 

[Seajet]

I'm familiar with the manouvre, done it myself on a rather smaller scale; but getting the crew & anchor ready in time seems unlikely ?

 

[Kukri]

I don't know enough about these ships to be able to answer that. He needed to bring her head round pretty fast.

 

[MapisM]

pretty sure the 747-400 retains the same wing as earlier models

Nope, actually with the 400 series they increased the wingspan!
Can't remember how much by heart, but I'm sure that the wings were extended and redesigned in the 400 - without counting the winglets, of course.
Minn got that completely wrong, I'm afraid.

 

[MapisM]

Turning on an anchor is a routine manoeuvre, very regularly used in Italian ports

With ships like this? U must be joking.

 

[nigel1]

Turning on the hook for some ships is pretty routine, we used to do it back in the dark ages when mooring up to oil rigs.
On a cruise ship, most of the way would need to be taken off, and everything made ready.
However, as a last ditch attempt, doing something is probably a bit better than doing nothing, and remember the old adage, never go aground with both anchors in the hawse pipes

 

[Kukri]

Nope, actually with the 400 series they increased the wingspan!
Can't remember how much by heart, but I'm sure that the wings were extended and redesigned in the 400 - without counting the winglets, of course.
Minn got that completely wrong, I'm afraid.

The point was that without the tip fences the wings would have been even longer and that would have affected gate distances.

 

[MapisM]

According to the latest news, both captain and FO are now arrested.
Amazing as it might sound, the theory of a flyby too close to the island seems the most plausible at the moment...

 

[Seajet]

I saw one report saying Captain ( don't know about the other officer ) charged with multiple manslaughter, not sure if that was definite or just someones' theory.

 

[MapisM]

As I understood, the charge is definite.
Still to be proved, of course, but...

 

[Seajet]

The latest seems to be 2 people found alive, trapped inside; problem getting to them, presumably that will be overcome.

40 people still missing.

Captain charged with multiple manslaughter and abandoning ship while passengers still in peril.

 

[SeamanStaines]

I am somewhat impressed that the Navionics Chart on my ipad already shows the wreck

 

[Elessar]

You should expect to see the double red of NUC. Remember the lights of 'aground' are the normal anchor lights plus the lights of NUC.

She has her nav lights on + 2 all round reds = NUC making way.

There are no anchor lights on. They should be of course as she is clearly aground but hey that wouldn't be first on my mind either.