Elessar
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Must have been absolutely terrifying.
Still doesn't seem the ideal way of getting the best co-operation from the captain, surely that can wait until the rescue is complete?
Costa Concordia (Titanic 2012)
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Must have been absolutely terrifying.
Still doesn't seem the ideal way of getting the best co-operation from the captain, surely that can wait until the rescue is complete?
Seajet
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Well, what use is the Captain towards the rescue now ?
Well, what use is the Captain towards the rescue now ?
ianabc
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ais shiptrack.... of Concordia showing course before and during...
http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/
http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/
Seajet
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The story of dropping the port anchor to spin her seems to be true; looks like the chain leading over the side -
SailorBill
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The story of dropping the port anchor to spin her seems to be true; looks like the chain leading over the side -
Good find.
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Or maybe not! See post from Elessar below.
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Elessar
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The story of dropping the port anchor to spin her seems to be true; looks like the chain leading over the side -
The anchor comes out about 5 or m below the name, so must be underwater. Scholl up to the pic in post 161
I think that visible thing is a ladder.
Seajet
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Elessar,
think you're right; back to the drawing board !
think you're right; back to the drawing board !
Observer
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Don't know how close to shore in that video but my theory at post #61 is looking a distinct possibility.
If you look here http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/, the point where that starboard turn was made is just about the right place for a clear run parallel to the coast and as close to the harbour as you would get on a straight line track right up the coast, leaving the islets close to port.
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haydude
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I am not sure where that .tr site took the route from.
1) marinetraffic.com shows waypoints that aren't fine grained enough to determine such route.
2) witnesses accounts apparently put the ship to the East of Le Scole which means the ship did not go through the narrow channel.
The fact is that:
(a) The ship and crew did that "sail-by" as a routine part of the cruise entertainment package.
(b) Depths in the area change rapidly, within a few meters, from safe to shallow because of underwater steep cliffs (I dived at that Island and it is like facing underwater vertical walls). This allows for (a) with low risk.
So my theory is that:
1) they had the route programmed into the Autopilot.
2) the officer(s) on the bridge relied upon GPS and Autopilot as they probably have done several times before
3) because of (2) and (a) their confidence made the officers sloppy
4) an unusually large GPS error and (b) took them off course just beyond the safety margins that they must have calculated and programmed. The error was sufficient for the ship to hit the rock that has always been there, only this time it was a lot closer. Too much closer. Alternatively sloppiness or distraction delayed reducing speed for the turn and sail-by, thus causing a larger turning angle (they were approaching at 15.4 kts).
5) When the bridge realized that they were too close, they disengaged the Autopilot, but it was already too late to correct, which explains why they hit aft.
My speculation is that (3) is possibly the main cause of the accident which is inexcusable because even the most inexperienced skipper knows that he cannot rely on GPS 100%.
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Not very Titanic like, is it? From the headlines in the British Press one would think that the vessel was in the Atlantic and had hit an iceberg with great loss of life.
longjohnsilver
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The president of Costa Cruises, Gianni Onorato, said the main task for the company was now to assist survivors and help repatriate them.
He said it was difficult to determine what had happened, but that the ship had experienced a blackout after hitting "a big rock".
That somehow does not ring true when you see the photos earlier in this thread with the lights blazing well after the collision.
He said it was difficult to determine what had happened, but that the ship had experienced a blackout after hitting "a big rock".
That somehow does not ring true when you see the photos earlier in this thread with the lights blazing well after the collision.
Seajet
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haydude,
I can't imagine this 'sail-by' was part of the entertainment package, even if any of the passengers were looking outside, they wouldn't have seen anything.
The spectacle was the ship herself, seen from ashore.
I can't imagine this 'sail-by' was part of the entertainment package, even if any of the passengers were looking outside, they wouldn't have seen anything.
The spectacle was the ship herself, seen from ashore.
Kukri
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Those who know him (I've just met him briefly) speak very highly of Onorato. In the industry we say that a ship has blacked out when power to the board from the main generators is lost.
With a hole that size in the engine room, she will have blacked out for sure, but the emergency generators, which are not located in the engine room, will have started automatically.
With a hole that size in the engine room, she will have blacked out for sure, but the emergency generators, which are not located in the engine room, will have started automatically.
Giblets
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I'm amazed that a chart would updated that quickly! Any chance of posting up a screen grab?
RichardS
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Twister_Ken
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Yes. Crowd sourcing I think it's called.
Seajet
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Details sent in by slightly miffed passenger while they waited for a lifeboat ?
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Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
haydude
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No need to imagine, that is from the accounts of officials. The Island itself also is quite a sight illuminated at night. They do not use dull yellow lights like in the UK there.
westhinder
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Any pictures of that sail-by?