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Hi everybody,

I'm new here, so go easy /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Now, I know a lot of you are going to think I'm mad, I've already been told so, but I've bought a Corribee - to live on, or at least spend extended time on it. Hey, if Ellen MacArthur can so it, then so can I. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I have a few concerns however, mainly heating/cooking. I don't really want to use gas because I have nowhere to put the cylinder safely (i.e. vented). Also, a camping stove is out as it needs to be gimbaled (hey, I wouldn't have bought a yacht if I didn't intend to sail a lot).
I was thinking about a Taylors Ideal K paraffin stove, but have read people stringly advising against this, but without a proper explaination. I reckoned it would serve well as a safe way to both heat the cabin and cook.

Also, one last question while I'm here... She's currently sat on a driveway having a bit of a refit. I removed the rudder (Mk1 type, ply sheet in steel forks) and the ply has started to rot slightly. I've decided to use the original as a template for a new one, but can't find marine ply in my local area (I have no car and delivery from elsewhere is a fortune for a half sheet). Would it be unadvisable to use exterior grade ply and laminate it in glass?

Thank you,

Nathan
 
Firstly you need to get onto the Corribee owners site (and join) www.corribee.org.uk

For cooking I would support a Taylors. Negatives are they take a while to learn how to use them, particularly lighting and they are hideously expensive new. Positives, very flexible for simmering and slow cooking, economical, safe and last forever with regular, easy servicing. Produce heat in a small space, but as they are non-vented should not be used as a heater, for example left on for long periods. Like other sources they produce water plus they need re-pressurising from time to time.

Hope this helps
 
Thanks for the reply.

I'm still tempted by the Taylor stove, although it's a bit of a let down from the heating point of view. I like to idea of paraffin not least because it's a bit more of a pleasing way to cook rather than the lazy instant gas cookers. Ok so I'm still stuck for heating. In reality I'll be on a pontoon with shore power, but I'd like to be self sufficient as much as possible, for anchorages etc. Any suggestions for heat on a small boat?

Thanks again,

Nathan
 
From distant memories of camping on a small boat I would think you'll have a boom tent arrangement - & keep the cockpit door open (very claustrophobic when shut anyway) - use a tilley lamp or similar. Cheap & plentiful fuel, tons of heat, just needs common sense. Ok so long as your not planning to stop in the arctic - You probably won't need heating anyway, apart from cooking - you'll just get used to the cold & damp like our jolly jack tar forebears .... Nice boat the corribee, think 1 man mountain tent rather than a small caravan ....
 
Hello Nathan, may I suggest that you give consideration to an Origo Spirit Cooker, and also the Heat Pal Stove. They run on meths or denatured alcohol, and are very safe not being pressurised at all, also being spirit fired, should you have a fire (very unlikely) you can put it out with water.

Here is a link so you can have a look, it will probably pay to shop around, because prices do vary a bit.

http://www.mailspeedmarine.com/search.bh...p;x=41&y=18

There are those on these forums that will poo-poo these cookers, but I have used them for donkeys years with never a problem.........Insurance Companies like them too! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Ooh, I was about to dismiss your suggestion off hand. Alcohol stove brought up memories of a trangia. Ok, great little stoves they are on a hill side but a complete pain in the bum to put out etc and not very long term arrangement friendly. Anyway, I'm glad I did venture forth and click the link because they look just what I'm after. I take it you can turn them up and down (and off) quite easily? Also what about pan clamps? Do they have those, I can't see from the pic.

Also, burning alcohol means that with the current oil prices, I can still pop down the shop and burn a bottle of Talisker for less money!

Thanks for this one, I will investigate further.

Thanks for all the comments too, appreciated, even the one's comparing my pride and joy to a mountain tent! heh, I've done my fair share of bivi's in snowholes in my time so the Corribee is an absolute luxury really.
 
Hi Nathan, yes they do pan clamps, and gimbles if you want them, they operate just like a gas stove in that you can vary the flame by turning the knob on the front.It's probably best to invest in one of those oven wand things, to light it with, because the burners are about 2 or 3 inches below the bit the pan rests on. They don't have a grill though, but I have found that I can do toast just fine with one of those stove top toast making gizmos, search that link, it's all there.
 
Second the Origo. They're not cheap but I have one on my petrol powered boat (1 major fire hazard at a time is enough!) and it works fine. The fumes from the combustion of meths are a bit off putting, particularly if you're trying to cook something in a swell, but I'm a definite convert.

As the Chrusty One says, you can make perfectly adequate toast with one of the pyramid gizmos, and you can also bake bread and pot-roast in a pressure cooker - so who needs an oven? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
 
For cookers both the Origo and the Taylors are excellent and have dedicated followings. Which is best depends on your priorities, Origo maybe simpler but slower & uses more fuel/cost but Taylors need pre-heating and can be prone to problems with dirty fuel. On the Taylors if you can find an 030 the warming oven is useful and will certainly do pasties, casseroles and a slow roast but not roast potatoes! If possible have a go with both before making up your mind. On heating I would agree that a Tilley lamp would be excellent for summer evenings but if you intend to stay on the boat more than about May to Sept or to keep stuff on board over the winter you will need a means of keeping things dry (rather than warm) The taylors heaters would do but are maybe a bit big, for a boat this size I would suggest a charcoal bulkhead heater. If you are interested I have one going for about £100, pm me if you want the details. Have fun but you are still 4ft longer than the smallest live-aboard I have met.
 
Re: Corribee / Origo Stoves and IMS / IDA

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Second the Origo. They're not cheap but I have one on my petrol powered boat (1 major fire hazard at a time is enough!) and it works fine. The fumes from the combustion of meths are a bit off putting, particularly if you're trying to cook something in a swell, but I'm a definite convert.

As the Chrusty One says, you can make perfectly adequate toast with one of the pyramid gizmos, and you can also bake bread and pot-roast in a pressure cooker - so who needs an oven? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

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I hesitate to mention this, but I suppose I ought to really, just recently there was a thread on PBO I think?About IMS or IDA as it is known these days, now I have a licence to obtain said substance, and recently I had a form through the post from HM Customs, it seems they have been doing an audit of who is having how much and when, and the tone of the form was somewhat intimidating, well it was to a frail old geezer such as myself.

Anyway, I phoned them up, and I spoke to a very helpful young man who said don't worry about the form, it was not written with hobby users in mind, just fill in what you can and explain what you use it for and it will be fine. So that is what I did. Now then, it's very strange stuff is IMS / IDA, because it says on the label, NOT TO BE USED NEAR A NAKED FLAME!!!

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OK, I will be serious for the moment, seems there has been a touch of paranoia about this stuff amongst certain forum members, one said he had his application for a licence knocked back because he said he wanted to use it for cooking.

Now pin back your lug holes and pay attention, because I am having to whisper, and I shall deny I ever said it. If you apply for a licence to purchase IMS /IDA, there are a number of favourable things you can put on the form, basically it comes down to " I want to use it to power live steam model locomotives / boats / traction engines, now keep your application reasonable, to say 5 or 6 litres a year, and God willing you wont have a problem. HM Customs will not be coming around to your house to check you out, they have plenty enough to keep them busy as it is. It might be different if you were asking for hundreds of litres, but for hobby use, they appear to fairly relaxed.

Finally, the reason I posted all this is that IMS burns with a much more pleasant odour than the skid row purple stuff, it also has a slightly higher calorific value, so burns hotter...(kettle takes less time to boil), so I feel it is altogether a better fuel for an Origo stove.
 
Taylors are very good indeed! but are terribly expensive....

Re small live aboard, Shane Acton, Shrimpy?? Yes I know you said ones you had met, but just thought he was worth a mention, and his boat is not the smallest these days /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Whatever you buy to produce heat that burns alcohol, paraffin, gas, coal or wood it must have adequate air in and exhaust gases out. Otherwise you will fall asleep and not wake up, like a lot of people every year. An open vent or a slid back hatch cover is not enough.

I haven't got a solution but a mixture of long johns, insulation and porridge might help if you can't get a racette going. Unvented frying, toasting and heating all in one, at the same time.
 
Somewhat over stating things, but worth the mention none the less /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Solid fuel heaters or diesel heaters come to that, that have a flue to carry the gases out of the boat are perfectly safe. I have been using Origos for many years now, and I cook with adequate ventilation, for heating, preference would be charcoal or wood / coal, as it gives off a dry heat.

Gas on board a boat is a complete anathema to me.
 
haha, thank you everybody. I'm feeling encouraged. I must admit I am having some mild worries about dealing with life on a 21ft boat, but as long as I have the essentials of food and heat, I'll be a happy chappy.

I've been trying to do this - live aboard - for over 3 years. I started with a very rotted Thompson T24 in the hope of rebuilding it... a dream to far considering my spare time and finances at the time. I then bought a Stag 28 in had never been put in the water. It too was a project too far since it was about a seaworthy as a narrowboat. Each time I was convinced I needed a big(ish) boat but have eventually wound up here, with the opinion that I have to at least give it a go while I can, and the only way to do that is to start small, commit to it and not look back. Fingers crossed anyway.


With regards to trying one of these stoves; I don't know anybody else with a boat, so finding one of to have a go on is going to be unlikely.

Actually, anybody I do meet with a boat including people that have sailed for many many years seem to be of the opinion that they would need a house sized yacht in order to even think about living on it... a view that seems such a shame - rather like taking a caravan to the lake district, sure you'll see the mountains but you won't get to experience them proper. Maybe that's just my excuse for not being able to afford a 50ft mahogany clad carbon cruiser. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anyway, once again, thanks for all the replies so far. I've got some good suggestions to follow on the heating/cooking front and a welcome confidence boost to this hopefully not so silly idea.
 
Re: Corribee -carbon monoxide poisoning

I don't believe the dangers of CO are overstated to the extent that it is known that on average one person dies every week from CO in the UK and more maybe because it is often misdiagnosed.
A friend of mine died of a heart attack after carbon monoxide poisoning. His wife still has brain damage, though she is alive.
I slept in the house for two weeks, three months before the accident and noticed nothing other than what I thought was jet lag.
It is tempting to seal up draughts induced by the appliance on a cold night. Except for minor use such as cooking, all fossil fuels need an air inlet as well as an exhaust outlet.
A racette runs on mains electricity.
 
Re: Corribee -carbon monoxide poisoning

Well the subject is obviously very close to your heart, but the fact remains, that people have been using solid fuel / diesel stoves in boats for very many years, without misfortune, me included, but you are right in that adequate ventilation is a must. I feel that as long as the flu / chimney is properly installed, ie it has enough draft to vent the noxious gases out of the boat, and as I said, there is proper flow of fresh air through the boat, you are going to be safe enough.
 
Re: Corribee / Origo Stoves and IMS / IDA

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what about a small coal/charcoal stove it fulfills both functions, is cheap, easy to install (including flue) the only downside is somewhere to store charcoal.

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Good kit, but in a Corribee, I think you might be struggling to mount the things, not impossible, but there isn't much room, and no convenient bulkhead (on standard layout) to hang it on, the cabin sole is a bit tight as well.
 
Re: Corribee / Origo Stoves and IMS / IDA

Don't think I'd be too keen on having one of these on a boat - all the dangers of a nomal gas stove and none of the safety precautions.

I use one when we go camping, and they are perfect if you're away under canvas for two or three days at a time, but they absolutely devour the canisters so you'd need to be sure of a reliable supply and deep pockets, if you wanted to use them regularly.
 
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