Correlation between boatbuilding and politicians

[Grubble]

Is this thread political & therefore, not in accordance with forum rules?
One assumes the mods have a hangover so are a bit slow today

Well my post was about a politician who bought a boat, so I was at least 50% within the forum rules.

 

[Daydream believer]

Well my post was about a politician who bought a boat, so I was at least 50% within the forum rules.

Does not count. You can still get slapped on one cheek. Then it is the follw ons who try to slip a cheeky one in when they think the mods are not looking.

 

[Grubble]

Does not count. You can still get slapped on one cheek. Then it is the follw ons who try to slip a cheeky one in when they think the mods are not looking.

I suppose it's inevitable in a thread about the demise of a UK boat builder that people will talk about the impact government decisions might have had. Typically politics threads descend into name calling, which is why they are banned, and I see the thread in question is following that pattern.

It's up to the mods of course to decide when and if the rules are being broken and what should be deleted as a result (including this thread).

 

[markc]

This is the problem with today's politics right there... reducing very complex questions and challenges to bite size 'sound bites' for the hard to engage / not very bright / short attention span voters, resulting in guaranteed non-delivery of aforementioned 'sound bite'

 

[Blueboatman]

So often those who implement policy are not around when the fuller implications of such policy are felt..by others of course. ( There is also no refund available afaik in this country for poor decisions)

I do remember when we had a sailing prime minister and the subsequently elected opposition promptly bunged 25% vat on British boatbuilding ..

 

[Poignard]

So often those who implement policy are not around when the fuller implications of such policy are felt..by others of course. ( There is also no refund available afaik in this country for poor decisions)

I do remember when we had a sailing prime minister and the subsequently elected opposition promptly bunged 25% vat on British boatbuilding ..

Our sailing prime minister was also a piano playing prime minister.

Did the next government also bung 25% VAT on pianos and sheet music?

 

[dunedin]

So often those who implement policy are not around when the fuller implications of such policy are felt..by others of course. ( There is also no refund available afaik in this country for poor decisions)
..... ..

We are not allowed to discuss the 2016 stuff

 

[Seastoke]

Does not count. You can still get slapped on one cheek. Then it is the follw ons who try to slip a cheeky one in when they think the mods are not looking.

If you don’t like it ignore it, there is thousands of jobs , and where a lot of us buy our old boats what the rich have finished with. When I believed in Brexit ,I had to look why I believed in England. So swapped Mitsubishi for a jag swapped the merc for a RR and bought a sealine.

 

[Poignard]

To go back to the original post...

Q. Can government policies affect businesses?

A. Yes - obviously they can.

Q. Is boat building a business?

A. Yes - obviously it is.

Q. Can government policies, therefore, affect boat building businesses?

A. Yes - obviously.

Q. Why was this thread started?

A. Search me.

 

[Clash]

To go back to the original post...

Q. Can government policies affect businesses?

A. Yes - obviously they can.

Q. Is boat building a business?

A. Yes - obviously it is.

Q. Can government policies, therefore, affect boat building businesses?

A. Yes - obviously.

Q. Why was this thread started?

A. Search me.

Very good.

But the question was: "How much can boatbuilders' order books be affected by whatever government is in charge?"

 

[Daydream believer]

If you don’t like it ignore it, there is thousands of jobs , and where a lot of us buy our old boats what the rich have finished with. When I believed in Brexit ,I had to look why I believed in England. So swapped Mitsubishi for a jag swapped the merc for a RR and bought a sealine.

You in the right thread?

 

[Seastoke]

Whilst men are at home bored to death of Xmas ,they need some stimulation and be able to tell people their opinion , as they are not at work to tell minions like me what to do.

 

[Seastoke]

You in the right thread?

My name is not Fred. And I am not right in the head.

 

[KevinV]

What about bring back King Bojo.

The jokes thread is elsewhere!

 

[Portofino]

To go back to the original post...

Q. Can government policies affect businesses?

A. Yes - obviously they can.

Q. Is boat building a business?

A. Yes - obviously it is.

Q. Can government policies, therefore, affect boat building businesses?

A. Yes - obviously.

Q. Why was this thread started?

A. Search me.

A sensible post .^ ( credit due where’s it due ) on the back of your post I will respond to the criticism from my post on this thread ….if I May guys .
Sunseeker laying off staff

So in relation to the prompt the above thread ^ MapishM used my response re “ cardboard answers “ to why S/Skr have shrunk the workforce recently . It’s not a cyclical seasonal call it what you will historic pattern this time.

The cardboard answers is a figure of speech . Apologies if a few took it literally.

It’s this assume £5 m - £15 M + orders for there boats each !
T/o circa £400 M , number of boats del 150 ish .

Then a Gov increases Capitol gains tax from a low figure to a high .
Places a new inheritance tax on land owners .

So a guy who sells his business for sake of example for £50 M in Rishi world has 10 % entrepreneurs relief and a very basic CGT on the balance .Leaving plenty to spurge on a boat .

Under Starmers regime the extra difference wipes out any £5-15 M the “ plenty “of excess cash would have used to become another S/Skr customer .
So as I said in my post on the other thread he declines and finds happiness else where , but not buying a boat …this time.

So with 150 punters last yr how many do you think S/Skr have lost due to tge increase of CGT ?Well it’s ain’t zero .

Even if it’s only a low number say 5 that’s 5 x the £5-15 M in lost cash , £ 25-75 M .

Then why do the cardboard characters on here assume land owners don’t boat ?
Not every land owner but they are not barred from boating ….we have farmers on here you know .
So a guy with a 1000 acres of arable farm typically worth £10 k / acre , so 10M value or more if trendy Cotswold ( Clarkson et al )
Is staring down the barrel of a huge future tax bill ….wondering how to deal with it , so his kids will be ok - etc etc .He didn’t place an order at U.K. boat building PLC last Sept while at SIBS either . Would have done for a nice 50 ftr Med bound under Rishi .

Ok that’s 3 min for S/Skr so now it 8 lost punters = U.K. PLC boatbuilders shedding staff .

They rely disproportionately on U.K. , Brit punters . Theses 8 are just two types who would have gone to SIBs to buy .
They haven’t now under Starmer .

Why folks can’t see this …..Blimmy .

I am not saying it killed or dead , it’s just tipped away slightly, doesn’t take many spending £5-15 M on a T/o of £400 M to tip it down .

Ordinarily a political change in Downing Street makes zero effect as there’s only minor swings in the boat building business levers and stuff evens out .Not sure like you why this Q was asked by MapishM??

But doubling or worse the CGT liability on guys selling up business , and a fresh tax on farms is a game changer in the number of folks willing to blow £5-15 M + on a plastic wasting asset ….for leisure .

The stat for number of vacancies not replaced is a record high …..thought to be the unintended consequence of the 2 % hike in employers NIC . I will let the brighter none carbord on here do the maths on that re unemployment.

The “ working man “ in Poole is going to suffer bcz the ones with “ broad shoulders “ once they bear these two extra tax hikes haven’t got anything left for a new Sunseeker …..Simples !

 

[Clash]

So the goalposts have moved, the straw men have increased but the data free conclusions and juvenile insults remain the same. Yawn.

 

[Portofino]

So the goalposts have moved, the straw men have increased but the data free conclusions and juvenile insults remain the same. Yawn.

Well the answer quite simple .

“ The “ working man “ in Poole is going to suffer bcz the ones with “ broad shoulders “ once they bear these two extra tax hikes haven’t got anything left for a new Sunseeker …..Simples !“


In other words the Gov in charge has taken money away , or proposes to - from the kind of peeps who would have otherwise spent in S/Skrs case millions on a boat .


Wether that’s an intended or unintended consequence is debatable. Buts let’s leave this Q parked .

Nb - I see you are new boy on here …just an observation not judgemental.

Welcome btw .

 

[Clash]

Well the answer quite simple .

“ The “ working man “ in Poole is going to suffer bcz the ones with “ broad shoulders “ once they bear these two extra tax hikes haven’t got anything left for a new Sunseeker …..Simples !“


In other words the Gov in charge has taken money away , or proposes to - from the kind of peeps who would have otherwise spent in S/Skrs case millions on a boat .


Wether that’s an intended or unintended consequence is debatable. Buts let’s leave this Q parked .

Nb - I see you are new boy on here …just an observation not judgemental.

Welcome btw .

Your analysis took its starting point from confirmation bias and worked backwards towards a conclusion that supported that bias, eschewing the use of any data along the way.

You've done exactly the same thing as your previous (and equally execrable) analysis except you chose a different starting point.

And despite people (cardboard or otherwise - WTAF?) explaining patiently that these operations were serial loss makers (among other salient points), you barrelled along your merry way without even addressing these bar insulting the posters concerned.

Best described as a rambling diatribe from the lofty heights of a well warmed bar stool.

My tenure here is irrelevant. I'm long enough on the planet to recognise crap when I see it. And also long enough to not have any patience for it.

 

[westernman]

Our sailing prime minister was also a piano playing prime minister.

Did the next government also bung 25% VAT on pianos and sheet music?

No. Pianos are not bought by rich people.

For instance this nice one which is a bargain at $287,000.

Fazioli F308 Grand Piano

Or you could go for a cheap and cheerful Yamaha at only 203,000 euros.

Piano Yamaha - Piano à queue Yamaha CFX chez Pianos Daudé

 

[MapisM]

Not sure like you why this Q was asked by MapishM??

Simple, because I was also unsure about your assumption that I quoted, and I was curious to check if I was alone on that.
As it turns out, it seems I'm not.

BTW, I'm now tempted to start another poll to check if I'm alone in struggling also with your latest further explanations...
...But life's way too short!