Clarity on the P M s announcement re sailing

[Halo]

With regard to the latest advice.
Everyone says the advice is inconsistent and confusing, but I think it's pretty simple really...

Stay alert. If not staying home. Stay home if not being alert. Go to work. If not working at home. Work from home if possible. If not working from home don't use public transport to get to work. Even though public transport is available. At work do work safely, in a socially distanced manner. Where possible. If not possible do some other thing. Don't work at work if work is closed which lots of work is because work isn't reopening if work is one of the places of work we were told to close. After work play sport and sunbathe but only with people you live with not people you work with. Unless you live with someone you work with. Or work with someone you live with. Stay alert for the alert system which will wave about madly on a dial between green and red where red means everyone is dead. If you are sufficiently alert you might be allowed to be less alert after the 1st of June. But likely everyone will go mad on Wednesday and the needle will lurch to orange so being alert will revert to stay home and it's back to March 23rd. So, stay home. No, hang on, stay alert, not home. But you should stay home, unless you're at work.

 

[Bobc]

Great post!

 

[Ulysses II]

Just about sums it up!

 

[JumbleDuck]

With regard to the latest advice.
Everyone says the advice is inconsistent and confusing, but I think it's pretty simple really...

Stay alert. If not staying home. Stay home if not being alert. Go to work. If not working at home. Work from home if possible. If not working from home don't use public transport to get to work. Even though public transport is available. At work do work safely, in a socially distanced manner. Where possible. If not possible do some other thing. Don't work at work if work is closed which lots of work is because work isn't reopening if work is one of the places of work we were told to close. After work play sport and sunbathe but only with people you live with not people you work with. Unless you live with someone you work with. Or work with someone you live with. Stay alert for the alert system which will wave about madly on a dial between green and red where red means everyone is dead. If you are sufficiently alert you might be allowed to be less alert after the 1st of June. But likely everyone will go mad on Wednesday and the needle will lurch to orange so being alert will revert to stay home and it's back to March 23rd. So, stay home. No, hang on, stay alert, not home. But you should stay home, unless you're at work.

You are Boris Johnson's speech writer and I claim my five pounds.

 

[dunedin]

So we can predict with some certainty lots of pictures of long queues and full car parks along the South Coast, Devon/Cornwall and the Lakes at the weekend.
And M27 will be busy on Wednesday

 

[Capt Popeye]

So we can predict with some certainty lots of pictures of long queues and full car parks along the South Coast, Devon/Cornwall and the Lakes at the weekend.
And M27 will be busy on Wednesday

Yep just like it used to be in them 'good ole days' eh ? Its called Normality to some but bgr to others

Just hope that the 'Stay and work from home' catches on big time, it keeps earned money (wages /salary) in an employees pockets instead of paying for Fares and or Fuel each month, which can amount to a sizeable sum in most cases

 

[Stork_III]

Until the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 are amended ( by Wednesday?) what Boris said doesn't have the force of law, and all old rules still apply.

 

[dolabriform]

I suspect that the 50 page document being debated in parliament and published today will contain those amendments?

edit: Speeeling

 

[Mark-1]

I suspect that the 50 page document being debated in parliament and published today will contain those amendments?

edit: Speeeling

I wonder how much amendment will actually be required, I'm not sure anything inconsistent with the existing rules has been announced.

Here are the rules for each country which I assume currently match:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations 2020

Feels to me more like Wales and Scotland will need legislation change to explicitly prevent driving to exercise, limit exercise to once a day and exclude sitting down in the park. Wheras the English legislation remains largely unchanged.

Or (more likely) it's all political rhetoric and all of the home nations will stay in step. (Which given they sit in the same Cobra meetings and take the same advice from the same people seems highly likely.)

 

[JumbleDuck]

Just hope that the 'Stay and work from home' catches on big time, it keeps earned money (wages /salary) in an employees pockets instead of paying for Fares and or Fuel each month, which can amount to a sizeable sum in most cases

Yup - I'm much better off in lockdown than I was before, and so is my other half. It's amazing how much going to work costs. This is particularly heartening as I plan to retire quite soon.

 

[JumbleDuck]

I wonder how much amendment will actually be required, I'm not sure anything inconsistent with the existing rules has been announced.

All they have to do is say that outdoor leisure activities of all sorts are now reasonable excuses for leaving home.

 

[Stork_III]

I wonder how much amendment will actually be required, I'm not sure anything inconsistent with the existing rules has been announced.

Here are the rules for each country which I assume currently match:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions) (Scotland) Regulations 2020
The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations 2020

Feels to me more like Wales and Scotland will need legislation change to explicitly prevent driving to exercise, limit exercise to once a day and exclude sitting down in the park. Wheras the English legislation remains largely unchanged.

Or (more likely) it's all political rhetoric and all of the home nations will stay in step. (Which given they sit in the same Cobra meetings and take the same advice from the same people seems highly likely.)

Amendment will be required to England's Regs as leaving your home for any reason is now allowed, and the FPN amount is tobe increased to £100 first offense rising to £3200 max.

 

[Mark-1]

Amendment will be required to England's Regs as leaving your home for any reason is now allowed,

I missed that, linky?

and the FPN amount is tobe increased to £100 first offense rising to £3200 max.

I assumed that didn't required legislation change, if it does then clearly changes will be required. Thanks.

 

[Mark-1]

All they have to do is say that outdoor leisure activities of all sorts are now reasonable excuses for leaving home.

It would be clearer if they did that, but as far as I can see the current rules don't exclude outdoor leisure activities as 'reasonable excuses' because the 'exercise' definition is so broad.


EDIT: Sorry, you wrote 'say' not 'change the legislation'. Agree. Please ignore my reply!

 

[Stork_III]

I missed that, linky?



I assumed that didn't required legislation change, if it does then clearly changes will be required. Thanks.

He stated "stay alert, stay at home as much as possible" without the proviso don't leave home without a good reason, which cureently contradicts the law.

Raab said this morning, there is no limit on how far you may travel to a destination, (until you hit the border of course).

 

[Graham376]

Raab said this morning, there is no limit on how far you may travel to a destination, (until you hit the border of course).

 

[bedouin]

He stated "stay alert, stay at home as much as possible" without the proviso don't leave home without a good reason, which cureently contradicts the law.

Raab said this morning, there is no limit on how far you may travel to a destination, (until you hit the border of course).

Not really - he is just expanding what represents a good reason.

But it will require a change to enable garden centres to stay open and we may well see rules making some shop openings partial. So perhaps they can open the outdoor part of the garden centre but not the indoor gift shop

 

[Halo]

West Yorkshire police representative on local radio just said it was previously very hard to enforce the rules and now they will only fine people if they are being arrested for something else !

 

[Giblets]

..... and the FPN amount is to be increased to £100 first offense rising to £3200 max.

I wonder if that is £100 per person, per vehicle, per group?

 

[Mark-1]

He stated "stay alert, stay at home as much as possible" without the proviso don't leave home without a good reason, which cureently contradicts the law.

As Les Dennis would say, if they change the law to allow people to leave home for any reason at all, I'll give you the money myself!