Chinese diesel heaters, what parts to replace and add for safe marine use?

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I know the for and against has been done to death, I want some heating in my bradwell 18 and one of these 2kw jobs seems to be just the thing at a reasonable cost. I know that some of the supplied parts aren't fit for purpose so could anyone who has fitted one let me know what they replaced during their install and any parts they added please? Thanks.
 

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A lot of the cheaper exhaust tubing is "cheap", the silencer needs throwing in the bin and the air tubing isn't long enough normally. I'm not really a fan of the fuel tanks so take off the main tank.

Budget for a skin fitting/ insulation for air tube and exhaust, condensation drain and marine silincer if you wish and L shaped bracket Plus longer inlet and exhaust hose if needed you should be good to go.

I've just bought a Lavaner Pro 2kw which is much better quality than the others... well worth looking into them.
 

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Yup, chuck out the exhaust hose and silencer. But a length of genuine Eber/Webasto pipe. Get a skin fitting from Southern Lasers.

How are you going to supply the electricity?
 

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Geez! You guys must be mad sailing in the UK!:rolleyes:
As the saying goes "It is like standing under a cold shower tearing up $100 notes" ?
 

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I know the for and against has been done to death, I want some heating in my bradwell 18 and one of these 2kw jobs seems to be just the thing at a reasonable cost. I know that some of the supplied parts aren't fit for purpose so could anyone who has fitted one let me know what they replaced during their install and any parts they added please? Thanks.
Take a look at these two YouTube Channels

https://www.youtube.com/user/justiOnDaToob

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL6b0onHEONPTnUp1gBwBiQ

Both have videos on fitting Chinese diesel heaters with what they did.
 

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Yup, chuck out the exhaust hose and silencer. But a length of genuine Eber/Webasto pipe. Get a skin fitting from Southern Lasers.

How are you going to supply the electricity?
I'll be rewiring the boat first so can arrange that, any suggestions or do's and donts on that front? The heater will prob be within 2m of the fuseboard anyway.
 

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I'll be rewiring the boat first so can arrange that, any suggestions or do's and donts on that front? The heater will prob be within 2m of the fuseboard anyway.
Sorry I was meaning more how are you going to keep up with the consumption? I'm guessing your Bradwell has an outboard, so limited charging available, and in the kind of weather you want a heater the solar panels might not be producing much. You could be on shore power but then your just run a fan heater!
The electrical consumption of these heaters is not insignificant. You might be ok if you just want to run it for an evening every few days, with solar topping the batteries back up in between.
 

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I replaced the exhaust with a decent Webasto including sealed silencer, I added a cut out klixon set to 100oC glued to the outlet casing so if it overheats the pump fuel supply stops immediately.

Otherwise and three years on yet to hear of a boat, van or car catching fire using a Chinhaspacher.
 

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Given that it's an 18 footer, whatever other arguments for and against might be advanced, be aware that the small Chinese heaters are often the big Chinese heaters downrated so make sure it'll fit before you order

(Personally I wouldn't buy Chinese, I'd buy a Planar but that's by the by)
 

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Certainly dont use pvc hose.I think its similar idea to hydraulic hose, you dont want pulsing.
Theres a popular Aussie "John McK' on youtube with about 2 dozen tutorials
 

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Sorry I was meaning more how are you going to keep up with the consumption? I'm guessing your Bradwell has an outboard, so limited charging available, and in the kind of weather you want a heater the solar panels might not be producing much. You could be on shore power but then your just run a fan heater!
The electrical consumption of these heaters is not insignificant. You might be ok if you just want to run it for an evening every few days, with solar topping the batteries back up in between.
ah I see, I will have 2 120ahr leisure batteries and 120w of solar. Not sure yet how it will operate in the real world but I think I should be ok to be able to run it for a couple of hours of an evening and an hour in the morning for a few days without too many problems, assuming I start fully charged.
 

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A lot of the cheaper exhaust tubing is "cheap", the silencer needs throwing in the bin and the air tubing isn't long enough normally. I'm not really a fan of the fuel tanks so take off the main tank.

Budget for a skin fitting/ insulation for air tube and exhaust, condensation drain and marine silincer if you wish and L shaped bracket Plus longer inlet and exhaust hose if needed you should be good to go.

I've just bought a Lavaner Pro 2kw which is much better quality than the others... well worth looking into them.
Thats a good steer, how long have you had yours running? still happy with it? Do you have any idea of how many a/hrs yours is using when running?
 
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ah I see, I will have 2 120ahr leisure batteries and 120w of solar. Not sure yet how it will operate in the real world but I think I should be ok to be able to run it for a couple of hours of an evening and an hour in the morning for a few days without too many problems, assuming I start fully charged.

120w solar is very respectful for an 18ftr.
I do wonder if a peltier cell could be rigged up to allow a heater to generate its own electrical supply (obviously you'd still need a battery for startup).
 

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120w solar is very respectful for an 18ftr.
I do wonder if a peltier cell could be rigged up to allow a heater to generate its own electrical supply (obviously you'd still need a battery for startup).
Peltier cells are pretty inefficient; you'd actually get very little electricity back. And, of course, the Laws of Thermodynamics mean you can't recover anything like the energy you put in - and if you did, you'd get no heat out! As you describe it, you're proposing a perpetual motion machine - and they're impossible.
 

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Peltier cells are pretty inefficient; you'd actually get very little electricity back. And, of course, the Laws of Thermodynamics mean you can't recover anything like the energy you put in - and if you did, you'd get no heat out! As you describe it, you're proposing a perpetual motion machine - and they're impossible.
No I'm not, the energy comes from the diesel.
 

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No I'm not, the energy comes from the diesel.
Which has been converted to heat. Trying to regain energy from that heat is counter-productive because a) it will cool the output hot air and b) the amount of energy recovered will be trivial anyway; Peltier effect devices are very low efficiency. So to gain enough electricity to run the fan and pump, you'd end up with a much lower heating efficiency. Better to burn the same amount of diesel in an engine at much higher efficiency to charge batteries.

I was wrong to suggest it was a perpetual motion machine - it isn't, quite.
 

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Fuel pipe wants to be 4mm OD copper, this is joined to fuel pump and heater etc by 3.2mm ID rubber hose, if you use 4mm ID rubber hose it will leak!

Vehicles would use 4mm nylon pipe for the supply, with the same dia rubber hose for the joints.

Ex pipe will be either 22 or 24mm ID.
 
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